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On 28.10.2017 23:55, shadowfirebird@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm way out of my depth here.=C2=A0 Can someone give me some pointers on =
how=20
> to say "except for"? Example: "Except for eels, I like all fish".
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>  =C2=A0Is this some sort of relative clause that I've not seen?

"everything except for X" is equivalent to "everything that is not X".=20
The usual way to express this in Lojban is:

    mi nelci ro    finpe poi   [ke'a] na .angila
    I  like  every fish  which [it]   not eel
    "I like every fish except for eels."

When you have referents that are the exception, then {po'u nai} can be=20
used to save space:

    mi nelci ro finpe po'u nai ti
    "I like every fish except for this one."

({po'u nai} is short for {poi ke'a na du})

Splitting the phrases as in your example is not really possible in=20
Lojban, because it would be ambiguous what the "except for eels"=20
attaches to, though if you wanted, you could say {fi'o nafselte'i lo'e=20
.angila mi nelci ro finpe}. I don't recommend it.

~~~mi'e la solpa'i

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