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[45.55.162.231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 72si907789vko.3.2017.10.29.21.51.11 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) client-ip=45.55.162.231; Received: from bezitopo.org (cpe-174-109-123-133.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.123.133]) by marozi.bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 582545FAB4 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 00:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121201F866 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 00:50:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] except for Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 00:50:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1977995.tkWFD57gAs@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/5.1.3 (Linux/4.4.0-97-generic; KDE/5.18.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <8e0616da-6a06-ca5f-94a8-8f7308f7b758@gmx.de> References: <5aad39ec-2fc0-4f19-a70d-a98a5fdbfb52@googlegroups.com> <8e0616da-6a06-ca5f-94a8-8f7308f7b758@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_bar: ---- Content-Length: 1306 On Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:46:56 AM EDT solpahi wrote: > "everything except for X" is equivalent to "everything that is not X". > The usual way to express this in Lojban is: > > mi nelci ro finpe poi [ke'a] na .angila > I like every fish which [it] not eel > "I like every fish except for eels." > > When you have referents that are the exception, then {po'u nai} can be > used to save space: > > mi nelci ro finpe po'u nai ti > "I like every fish except for this one." > > ({po'u nai} is short for {poi ke'a na du}) Both jbofi'e and camxes (at http://camxes.lojban.org) reject "po'unai". Is there a newer version that accepts it? Another useful phrase is "na'ebo": na'ebo la .djan. lebna le botpi Someone other than John took the bottle. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.