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[212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 74si63527wme.2.2017.11.09.06.12.08 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Nov 2017 06:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from [192.168.178.22] ([87.180.228.208]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LuPYt-1fC9qJ0O2B-011kTE for ; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 15:12:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Until proven otherwise" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: From: solpahi Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 15:12:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 171109-0, 09.11.2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:pAW+zNvMpQPrFLf/IsuW93J/Tq/ubRG8yvSrtmbqTzIiildnHV+ XV4i+Fuz1rr9io7Svvd1mPrK5PWfv2dmbjcKWwKka20wsomN76JyPrQMpZmIo1Dfo6tfvki ylBDsRC/46zOFtKt6/TNGJOs10b8T8lznQA4fl9crXvyBE4wJX3mma9DNZNxr9VyDquKeQf KfveqUpiYyzPcYeLaRtvA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:V/NSbxNL0X8=:eiUoKXo/d08z+p/D+p187+ l3/aV2T5nG9ug8Isz10fUEf3U1s3s1jUWNP/ismhyxvjvKjUB0R+GOn7YQaVFsfebDsWpYV+M OPqMQ+e0kqL/uUhY7d8toW6MNTgMKg/ZySJYt7wJk+tzNS+8qMkwRwnXUyVSndCy/vLSMoxLf knJEqbFDd3uLNa0NGjgl0hKYTDetKypjZAWalOtiRuUUfDLNV44nLB62D4+tm8a5hG13CvfdM ZtFWLeuHk68lVQoSnbrJYsNTC1bpj+/WB4FoE1qkWZSgL7z+ht1SQn0R53ly71/dlb44rgp0e yfxKCnjYdFR3B9QaA6mLq7XqnZoGtNKw+UmRc2r40KM/cGN06ujcf62w3fVVjR8hwD6QBfyFR zqmx3DwgLvhytXsa3AKfKVQFuouL4ZBTm0BXZN0W4tof58Q6JBBTwsRF/zIuOV1E9C0g00Ze9 uXuwMqIhCOSViqG/ZKf4XGhUdq9k58vTxu+s5dNOsyljxc7fHqyzooz501vdpUFoqW7qbxUyM WEri0PA95nx/fNWY9O3NuNI0EeViJsLmTEVNbDPYx+3M83CooOATwNTvlsWheJjUhP8FoN7xW IQBxkMzKjSqsLORxXgx9AZUt+ir2K9m3vZKBx1GYYxe/n7UTQjsCtHyG2JOJ1IKnKimcY5RXS w6nJHPhMI/oLJQIw1JOWQ0+Wo1lbCJqU2jtF11cDFzEQwMg3+reTyXKKCx8a0+1iDFkM1sjBv huhfylvNR5hSSlxer9svEmZ0Q6FltGdXKQ1BjHWhmLtsw8+0OwjKsdRjMPG1Kmc8ZKM5YrxV0 tITQJIDa+12Smvwvs9zowkpORsc/w796LSg0a6jlG5LuRrSi/k= X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.0 X-Spam_score_int: -39 X-Spam_bar: ---- Content-Length: 1041 On 09.11.2017 07:18, sukender1@gmail.com wrote: > I try to find a translation of this expression. What do you think about= =20 > "denpa lo nu naljetyja'o"? I would go with {ze'a lo nu no da [ba'o] naljetyja'o} "for as long as=20 nobody disproves/has disproven) [it]" [1]. Another option is {co'u lo nu su'o da naljetyja'o} "until someone=20 disproves [it]". ~~~mi'e la solpa'i -- [1]: Not a fan of {jetyja'o}, but I believe the point here is the=20 "until", so I ignored that issue. --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr=C3=BCft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.