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[2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s6si56631wme.4.2017.11.09.06.13.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Nov 2017 06:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c07::229; Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id n69so7372352lfn.2 for ; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 06:13:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.25.233.81 with SMTP id g78mr283147lfh.197.1510236800435; Thu, 09 Nov 2017 06:13:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.227.78 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 06:12:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8a17d6f0-039b-431f-ba4a-410369c9e73b@googlegroups.com> References: <8a17d6f0-039b-431f-ba4a-410369c9e73b@googlegroups.com> From: Michael Turniansky Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 09:12:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Until proven otherwise" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113c524e044d33055d8d681a" X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Y6mJpKO1; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.6 X-Spam_score_int: -45 X-Spam_bar: ---- Content-Length: 7206 --001a113c524e044d33055d8d681a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No. (Well, I mean, you *can* have those string of words in a sentence, but it doesn't mean what you think it means ;-) ) BAI (what are confusingly called "modals" in English) are always pre-positional. That is, they must come before the sumti that fills their slot. (unless, of course, modern lojbanists have changed the rules on this. But this is CLL lojban) --gejyspa On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > Much shorter, thanks! ... even if "waiting for a contradictor" is not tha= t > far away from what we generally express :-) > Can I say "lo nafte [ku] cau"? > > Le jeudi 9 novembre 2017 14:49:27 UTC+1, Michael Turniansky a =C3=A9crit = : >> >> That implies you are actually waiting until there is a contradictor. = I >> might simply say se cau lo natfe >> >> --gejyspa >> >> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:18 AM, wrote: >> >>> I try to find a translation of this expression. 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No.=C2=A0 (Well, I mean, you can have those string = of words in a sentence, but it doesn't mean what you think it means ;-)= ) BAI (what are confusingly called "modals" in English) are alwa= ys pre-positional.=C2=A0 That is, they must come before the sumti that fill= s their slot.=C2=A0 (unless, of course, modern lojbanists have changed the = rules on this.=C2=A0 But this is CLL lojban)

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:07 AM, = <sukender1@gmail.com> wrote:
Much shorter, thanks! ... even if "waiting for a= contradictor" is not that far away from what we generally express :-)=
Can I say "lo nafte [ku] cau"?

Le je= udi 9 novembre 2017 14:49:27 UTC+1, Michael Turniansky a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<= /span>
=C2=A0 That implies you are actually waiting until there is a contradi= ctor.=C2=A0 I might simply say se cau lo natfe

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa=C2=A0

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:18 AM, <suke...@gmail.com> wrote:
I= try to find a translation of this expression. What do you think about &quo= t;denpa lo nu naljetyja'o"?

la .sykyndyr.
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