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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to read aloud a pure-Lojban dictionary definition?
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I am now wondering how one should translate the following text (imagine it 
as being from a Lojban-English dictionary audiobook) into grammatical 
Lojban:

*bacru*: The word *bacru* means that "x1 utters 
verbally/says/phonates/speaks [vocally makes sound] x2." Its short rafsi is 
*ba'u*.

 
I've gotten this far, *very* tentatively

zo bacru .i zo bacru valsi la'e du'u *ko'a cupra ko'e noi bangu sance ku'o 
lo'e nu pilno lo'e tavla rango be ko'e* kei vau


(The italics are just for clarity for the purposes of this post.)
 
On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 2:42:32 PM UTC-4, xabju wrote:
>
> Thank you both for answering my question.
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 9:29:50 AM UTC-4, Michael Turniansky wrote:
>>
>>     I would  personally read it as "xy boi xi pa..."
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:45 AM, Pierre Abbat <ph...@bezitopo.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22.44.45 EDT xabju wrote:
>>> > .coi
>>> > 
>>> > I'm wondering how one would read this (or any definition) aloud in 
>>> Lojban:
>>> > "x1 klani x2 lo ka lo xo kau jdini be x3 ke ralju gradu cu vamji 
>>> ce'u". How
>>> > does one say "x1", "x2", and "x3"?
>>>
>>> Here are two options:
>>> *xy pa klani xy re li'o
>>> *ko'a klani ko'e li'o
>>> The second breaks down if there are more than ten places, at which point 
>>> you 
>>> have to use "xi".
>>>
>>> If there's an equals sign in the definition, you can read it as "goi":
>>> xy pa goi fy pa finpe xy re goi fy re gi'e limna fi'o galtu xy ci goi my 
>>> pa
>>>
>>> mu'omi'e .piier.
>>> -- 
>>> sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I am now wondering how one should translate the following =
text (imagine it as being from a Lojban-English dictionary audiobook) into =
grammatical Lojban:<div><br><div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; b=
order: none; padding: 0px;"><div><i>bacru</i>: The word <i>bacru</i> means =
that &quot;x1 utters verbally/says/phonates/speaks [vocally makes sound] x2=
.&quot; Its short rafsi is=C2=A0<i>ba&#39;u</i>.</div></blockquote><div>=C2=
=A0</div><div>I&#39;ve gotten this far, <i>very</i> tentatively</div><div><=
br></div></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none;=
 padding: 0px;"><div><div><div>zo bacru .i zo bacru valsi la&#39;e du&#39;u=
 <i>ko&#39;a cupra ko&#39;e noi bangu sance ku&#39;o lo&#39;e nu pilno lo&#=
39;e tavla rango be ko&#39;e</i> kei vau</div></div></div></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>(The italics are just for clarity for the purposes of this =
post.)<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 2:42:32 =
PM UTC-4, xabju wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;=
margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Thank you both for answering my question.<br><br>On Wednesday, Jun=
e 6, 2018 at 9:29:50 AM UTC-4, Michael Turniansky wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I would=C2=A0 persona=
lly read it as &quot;xy boi xi pa...&quot;</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:45 AM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a rel=3D"nofollow">ph...@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22.44.45 EDT xabju wrote=
:<br>
&gt; .coi<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I&#39;m wondering how one would read this (or any definition) aloud in=
 Lojban:<br>
&gt; &quot;x1 klani x2 lo ka lo xo kau jdini be x3 ke ralju gradu cu vamji =
ce&#39;u&quot;. How<br>
&gt; does one say &quot;x1&quot;, &quot;x2&quot;, and &quot;x3&quot;?<br>
<br>
</span>Here are two options:<br>
*xy pa klani xy re li&#39;o<br>
*ko&#39;a klani ko&#39;e li&#39;o<br>
The second breaks down if there are more than ten places, at which point yo=
u <br>
have to use &quot;xi&quot;.<br>
<br>
If there&#39;s an equals sign in the definition, you can read it as &quot;g=
oi&quot;:<br>
xy pa goi fy pa finpe xy re goi fy re gi&#39;e limna fi&#39;o galtu xy ci g=
oi my pa<br>
<br>
mu&#39;omi&#39;e .piier.<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br>
sei do&#39;anai mi&#39;a djuno puze&#39;e noroi nalselganse srera<br>
</font></span><div><div><br>
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