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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to read aloud a pure-Lojban dictionary definition?
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try filling places of {bridi} of {brisni}.

Em s=C3=A1bado, 16 de junho de 2018 04:39:20 UTC+3, xabju escreveu:
>
> I am now wondering how one should translate the following text (imagine i=
t=20
> as being from a Lojban-English dictionary audiobook) into grammatical=20
> Lojban:
>
> *bacru*: The word *bacru* means that "x1 utters=20
> verbally/says/phonates/speaks [vocally makes sound] x2." Its short rafsi =
is=20
> *ba'u*.
>
> =20
> I've gotten this far, *very* tentatively
>
> zo bacru .i zo bacru valsi la'e du'u *ko'a cupra ko'e noi bangu sance=20
> ku'o lo'e nu pilno lo'e tavla rango be ko'e* kei vau
>
>
> (The italics are just for clarity for the purposes of this post.)
> =20
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 2:42:32 PM UTC-4, xabju wrote:
>>
>> Thank you both for answering my question.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 9:29:50 AM UTC-4, Michael Turniansky wrote=
:
>>>
>>>     I would  personally read it as "xy boi xi pa..."
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:45 AM, Pierre Abbat <ph...@bezitopo.org> wrote=
:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22.44.45 EDT xabju wrote:
>>>> > .coi
>>>> >=20
>>>> > I'm wondering how one would read this (or any definition) aloud in=
=20
>>>> Lojban:
>>>> > "x1 klani x2 lo ka lo xo kau jdini be x3 ke ralju gradu cu vamji=20
>>>> ce'u". How
>>>> > does one say "x1", "x2", and "x3"?
>>>>
>>>> Here are two options:
>>>> *xy pa klani xy re li'o
>>>> *ko'a klani ko'e li'o
>>>> The second breaks down if there are more than ten places, at which=20
>>>> point you=20
>>>> have to use "xi".
>>>>
>>>> If there's an equals sign in the definition, you can read it as "goi":
>>>> xy pa goi fy pa finpe xy re goi fy re gi'e limna fi'o galtu xy ci goi=
=20
>>>> my pa
>>>>
>>>> mu'omi'e .piier.
>>>> --=20
>>>> sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera
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<div dir=3D"ltr">try filling places of {bridi} of {brisni}.<br><br>Em s=C3=
=A1bado, 16 de junho de 2018 04:39:20 UTC+3, xabju  escreveu:<blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">I am now wondering how one =
should translate the following text (imagine it as being from a Lojban-Engl=
ish dictionary audiobook) into grammatical Lojban:<div><br><div><blockquote=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><i>bacru</i>: The=
 word <i>bacru</i> means that &quot;x1 utters verbally/says/phonates/speaks=
 [vocally makes sound] x2.&quot; Its short rafsi is=C2=A0<i>ba&#39;u</i>.</=
div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><div>I&#39;ve gotten this far, <i>very</i=
> tentatively</div><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div>zo bacru .i zo bacru vals=
i la&#39;e du&#39;u <i>ko&#39;a cupra ko&#39;e noi bangu sance ku&#39;o lo&=
#39;e nu pilno lo&#39;e tavla rango be ko&#39;e</i> kei vau</div></div></di=
v></blockquote><div><br></div><div>(The italics are just for clarity for th=
e purposes of this post.)<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>On Thursday, June =
7, 2018 at 2:42:32 PM UTC-4, xabju wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you both for answering my question.<br><br>On =
Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 9:29:50 AM UTC-4, Michael Turniansky wrote:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I would=
=C2=A0 personally read it as &quot;xy boi xi pa...&quot;</div><div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:45 AM, Pierre Abbat <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow">ph...@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22.44.45 E=
DT xabju wrote:<br>
&gt; .coi<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I&#39;m wondering how one would read this (or any definition) aloud in=
 Lojban:<br>
&gt; &quot;x1 klani x2 lo ka lo xo kau jdini be x3 ke ralju gradu cu vamji =
ce&#39;u&quot;. How<br>
&gt; does one say &quot;x1&quot;, &quot;x2&quot;, and &quot;x3&quot;?<br>
<br>
</span>Here are two options:<br>
*xy pa klani xy re li&#39;o<br>
*ko&#39;a klani ko&#39;e li&#39;o<br>
The second breaks down if there are more than ten places, at which point yo=
u <br>
have to use &quot;xi&quot;.<br>
<br>
If there&#39;s an equals sign in the definition, you can read it as &quot;g=
oi&quot;:<br>
xy pa goi fy pa finpe xy re goi fy re gi&#39;e limna fi&#39;o galtu xy ci g=
oi my pa<br>
<br>
mu&#39;omi&#39;e .piier.<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br>
sei do&#39;anai mi&#39;a djuno puze&#39;e noroi nalselganse srera<br>
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