Date:  Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:32:52 -0500 (EST)
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From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_J._Llamb=EDas?=" <jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR>
Subject:      Re: fuzzy bears
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cu'u la rik
>>> <lo vofi'uze cribe pu finti le lisri>
 >>
>>This means that only 4/7 of a bear exists: all beardom amounts to
>>no more than 4/7 of an individual bear.
>
>I don't recall a conclusion to the "universe of discourse" discussion
>(it may have just drifted away).  Would this mean *all* of beardom, or
>just all of beardom within the universe of discourse?

What would be the difference? There are no bears outside the universe
of discourse. If you mention them then they are within the universe.

> What if we are
>talking about half a pie ("I just want half a piece"), or a half dollar
>coin.

That's an outer quantifier. The inner quantifier is the one that
refers to the total quantity that there is. The outer quantifier is
the one that quantifies in the usual sense.

        mi djica le nu citka pimu lo spisa
        "I want to eat half of a piece."

        ta sicni le merko pimu lo rupnu
        "That is a coin worth half a dollar."

co'o mi'e xorxes