Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PMSIt-0006BA-QU; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:35 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf2631634ywh.16 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xS+zDiMcgzDp+GU8OlFi24FwtF+gIhTKboHcyxkK5LY=; b=CliDvg3sxjdeTXoddH5GOK44vwbKB5thQfa67XxmGrMrW2g5Y7et5d2hqPMm9OHfC3 VBm4dBLg65Mqi/jzHzys2TWCncJqfBDkBnsh3jjs+VhJpK6Z+ABGFpIpVwfyZCVSVrWz 04RzwjwjJwu8pgpgJyNXNytnAVlKVdFOXm8Pg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=WpQ2UNSX9uf7ACN3SqR9lVNYhsgVhlldyc0IP/ObmQpsZAKIX/+jtdZsqvKL3XUnOS OiSoQjUVl4uVtFgKfdC7RU5FtPY5TrI5uF64y6wrS84g7OLxJ6qDkkgOZaDcudYyhJgA kuiLSVB+nC2MWdzRHSOOHotWfebJxEZOFs1JI= Received: by 10.100.206.15 with SMTP id d15mr96611ang.7.1290893242734; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.28.24 with SMTP id f24ls815043anj.0.p; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.248.13 with SMTP id v13mr654906anh.59.1290893242085; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.248.13 with SMTP id v13mr654905anh.59.1290893242066; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.117]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id g4si558785yha.3.2010.11.27.13.27.20; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.117 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.117; Received: (qmail 74902 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2010 21:27:20 -0000 Message-ID: <359657.74808.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mL0uwNIVM1llNR8P0tONvZHagX1IMxiX1iUSde2pDRMLKOc jz8H5Ptn4h_oECXto85bJcZrpTmQBYpSteH7zs5.vQqA_OWUBzW05ZkzKg1F EjLsvFFI0IUpVCKEqfdXinGRmnqWXyFqS4g5fLdMfPQc7XFye4chijgl4U_j TvhzIOkTYs.htf3e1Yv5QMfDmDeH7lfxUYD6htAJVxnlz5B_Wi0BNbYFeYkW DzsizwUXQISej4mb2LZNFV1SV2VbtksFgroQFnNsfLhfGvpvRDsDN67HNciP YLGdy8m.UHgblvEUFsFINKOO7vntzv4C9xHPZvUU3jfmzRkgUQQKnnlzn0l0 Vs6.z2S8OgfS9Gno7yPPukKxc_QcXSqy3attAvW7JOVK51ye64b4TFO4T Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <492732.93430.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <696303.3339.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.117 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1548 And what emotion (etc.) did the speaker feel when the listener was surprised to see him? Nothing relevant comes to mind and it very probably was not surprise, even empathetically. ----- Original Message ---- From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 3:17:04 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > So just for clarification from other users of da'oi, am I doing it right? Or > should I just start using {.oipeikau} (dunno why I hadn't thought of that > before). I've not used {da'oi} yet but being of selma'o DOI I expect I'll use it like: {mi viska da'oi .liuk. .ue } to indicate that you were surprise that I had seen you, and {mi viska doi .liuk. .ue } to indicate that I was surprised to see you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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