Received: from localhost ([::1]:43993 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdg6W-0002nm-HJ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 04:14:44 -0700 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:36416 helo=digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdg6R-0002nf-Ca for wikichanges@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 04:14:42 -0700 Received: by digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 10 Jun 2012 04:14:36 -0700 From: "Apache" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 04:14:36 -0700 To: wikichanges@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam_score: 2.0 X-Spam_score_int: 20 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page Scientific American article was changed by gleki at 11:14 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Scientific%20American%20article [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikichanges] Wiki page Scientific American article changed by gleki X-BeenThere: wikichanges@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikichanges-bounces@lojban.org Content-Length: 10269 The page Scientific American article was changed by gleki at 11:14 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Scientific%20American%20article You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Scientific%20American%20article&compare=1&oldver=4&newver=5 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 1-20 changed to +Lines: 1-10 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - Without qualification, refers to the article ''((Loglan))'' written by
((James Cooke Brown)), and published in Scientific American in June 1960.
People who wish to read it, can borrow it from a reasonably large
library, or they can ask ((TLI)) to send them a copy. That's how ((tsali|I))
got it. That was in ((year1997|1997)), but if they have any copies left,
they probably still mail them out for free to anyone who asks for them. + Without qualification, refers to the article ''((Loglan))'' written by ((James Cooke Brown)), and published in Scientific American in June 1960.
People who wish to read it, can borrow it from a reasonably large library, or they can ask ((TLI)) to send them a copy. That's how ((tsali|I)) got it. That was in ((year1997|1997)), but if they have any copies left, they probably still mail them out for free to anyone who asks for them. !!!Notable things about the description of Loglan as given in the article - The reason that the CV templates of the Loglan words turned out the way
we all know and love, is not given. It only says: "The reader is
challenged to find a combination of possible word-forms that does not
resolve." + The reason that the CV templates of the Loglan words turned out the way we all know and love, is not given. It only says: "The reader is challenged to find a combination of possible word-forms that does not resolve." - The "little words" (((cmavo))) are unified as a class only semantically,
not morphologically (phonotactically). The word classes preceding
predicates (simple predicates (our gismu) and complex predicates (our
lujvo)) were as follows:
* Connectives: __V__ (the article actually says ".V", but this is probably a typo; nothing is mentioned of obligatory pauses in front of vowel-initial words, the period isn't used in this way anywhere else in the article, and as far as I can tell, this use of the period is strictly a Lojban innovation) + The "little words" (((cmavo))) are unified as a class only semantically, not morphologically (phonotactically). The word classes preceding predicates (simple predicates (our gismu) and complex predicates (our lujvo)) were as follows:
* Connectives: __V__ (the article actually says ".V", but this is probably a typo; nothing is mentioned of obligatory pauses in front of vowel-initial words, the period isn't used in this way anywhere else in the article, and as far as I can tell, this use of the period is strictly a Lojban innovation) * Indicators: __VV__ * Operators +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 23-47 changed to +Lines: 13-25 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** Compound operators: __CV'CV__ (the article consistently uses an apostrophe __after__ a syllable to indicate stress, this is probably what is intended here) - The Loglan text that occurs in the tables in the article is written in
all capitals, but the examples that occur inside the running text, is
written in the ((Standard Average European|SAE)) orthography that is
common both to natural languages that use latinate scripts, and Loglan
of today. Still, there is some talk about audiovisual isomorphism, and
Loglan's "spoken punctuation" operators. + The Loglan text that occurs in the tables in the article is written in all capitals, but the examples that occur inside the running text, is written in the ((Standard Average European|SAE)) orthography that is common both to natural languages that use latinate scripts, and Loglan of today. Still, there is some talk about audiovisual isomorphism, and
Loglan's "spoken punctuation" operators. - Most indicators (our attitudinals) were irrealis. In fact, there is a
theoretical possibility that ALL of them were irrealis. If we entertain
the possibility that even "ui" (our "ui") turns a predicate into a
non-claim, that does not entail that it turns it into a claim of the
opposite. + Most indicators (our attitudinals) were irrealis. In fact, there is a theoretical possibility that ALL of them were irrealis. If we entertain the possibility that even "ui" (our "ui") turns a predicate into a non-claim, that does not entail that it turns it into a claim of the opposite. - The only example of borrowing of vowel-final names, Mississippi, which
becomes "lu misisipis", displays the addition of an s in the end, which
is now the de facto standard of creating such names in Lojban (though
not governed by any rules). + The only example of borrowing of vowel-final names, Mississippi, which becomes "lu misisipis", displays the addition of an ''s'' in the end, which is now the de facto standard of creating such names in Lojban (though not governed by any rules). !!!Things I don't understand about the Loglan description - * The word ''nu'' is glossed as "un- [[also passive voice of two-place predicates]". Does this mean that Loglan has or had a word that can mean both ''to'e'' and ''se''? + * The word ''nu'' is glossed as "un- [[also passive voice of two-place predicates]". Does this mean that Loglan has or had a word that can mean both ''to'e'' and ''se''? ** Not quite. As I recall, the example in JCB's head was a word (damn, I wish I could remember which) whose passive was in effect a opposite. And then he generalized, as often. The mess was cleared up (by pointing to a few other words, I suppose) long before the first version of Loglan 1 was cut. The SA article is very crude: even the vocab was not yet thoroughly worked out (eternal {blanu} notwithstanding)and the selection of cmavo was heavily influenced by typesetting, for some reason. ** Sometimes ''to'e'' and ''se'' have a similar effect in Lojban: ''to'e zunle'' = ''se zunle'' = ''pritu''. - *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** Without qualification, refers to the article ''((Loglan))'' written by ((James Cooke Brown)), and published in Scientific American in June 1960. People who wish to read it, can borrow it from a reasonably large library, or they can ask ((TLI)) to send them a copy. That's how ((tsali|I)) got it. That was in ((year1997|1997)), but if they have any copies left, they probably still mail them out for free to anyone who asks for them. !!!Notable things about the description of Loglan as given in the article The reason that the CV templates of the Loglan words turned out the way we all know and love, is not given. It only says: "The reader is challenged to find a combination of possible word-forms that does not resolve." The "little words" (((cmavo))) are unified as a class only semantically, not morphologically (phonotactically). The word classes preceding predicates (simple predicates (our gismu) and complex predicates (our lujvo)) were as follows: * Connectives: __V__ (the article actually says ".V", but this is probably a typo; nothing is mentioned of obligatory pauses in front of vowel-initial words, the period isn't used in this way anywhere else in the article, and as far as I can tell, this use of the period is strictly a Lojban innovation) * Indicators: __VV__ * Operators ** Simple operators: __CV__ ** Sentential operators: __CVV__ ** Compound operators: __CV'CV__ (the article consistently uses an apostrophe __after__ a syllable to indicate stress, this is probably what is intended here) The Loglan text that occurs in the tables in the article is written in all capitals, but the examples that occur inside the running text, is written in the ((Standard Average European|SAE)) orthography that is common both to natural languages that use latinate scripts, and Loglan of today. Still, there is some talk about audiovisual isomorphism, and Loglan's "spoken punctuation" operators. Most indicators (our attitudinals) were irrealis. In fact, there is a theoretical possibility that ALL of them were irrealis. If we entertain the possibility that even "ui" (our "ui") turns a predicate into a non-claim, that does not entail that it turns it into a claim of the opposite. The only example of borrowing of vowel-final names, Mississippi, which becomes "lu misisipis", displays the addition of an ''s'' in the end, which is now the de facto standard of creating such names in Lojban (though not governed by any rules). !!!Things I don't understand about the Loglan description * The word ''nu'' is glossed as "un- [[also passive voice of two-place predicates]". Does this mean that Loglan has or had a word that can mean both ''to'e'' and ''se''? ** Not quite. As I recall, the example in JCB's head was a word (damn, I wish I could remember which) whose passive was in effect a opposite. And then he generalized, as often. The mess was cleared up (by pointing to a few other words, I suppose) long before the first version of Loglan 1 was cut. The SA article is very crude: even the vocab was not yet thoroughly worked out (eternal {blanu} notwithstanding)and the selection of cmavo was heavily influenced by typesetting, for some reason. ** Sometimes ''to'e'' and ''se'' have a similar effect in Lojban: ''to'e zunle'' = ''se zunle'' = ''pritu''. _______________________________________________ Wikichanges mailing list Wikichanges@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichanges