Received: from localhost ([::1]:41367 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SeOe4-0001PT-C9; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:48:20 -0700 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:53138 helo=digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SeOdy-0001PM-9j for wikichanges@lojban.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:48:17 -0700 Received: by digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:48:14 -0700 From: "Apache" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:48:14 -0700 To: wikichanges@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam_score: 2.0 X-Spam_score_int: 20 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page currently proposed experimental cmavo was changed by gleki at 10:48 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/currently%20proposed%20experimental%20cmavo [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikichanges] Wiki page currently proposed experimental cmavo changed by gleki X-BeenThere: wikichanges@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikichanges-bounces@lojban.org Content-Length: 11233 The page currently proposed experimental cmavo was changed by gleki at 10:48 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/currently%20proposed%20experimental%20cmavo You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=currently%20proposed%20experimental%20cmavo&compare=1&oldver=10&newver=11 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 5-9 changed to +Lines: 5-8 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ (Incidentally, I'd like to ask whoever's proposing these to perhaps let this space be used for new constructs, not just single-word abbreviations for 2-4 other words.) -- ((rab.spir)) * feel free to add links to new pages that subdivide the experimentals into 'new constructs' vs 'abbreviatory'. But this list is a catalogue of all experimental cmavo not declared obsolete by their proposer. --((And)) - ||__((a'a'a))__|UI|Please repeat; I couldn't parse __((ba'oi))__|ROI|possible futures ROI: "p (= bridi) in PA possible future worlds (sharing same past as q) in which q (= sumti tagged by ba'oi)": (cf. mu'ei): (proposed by ((AndR))) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 77-91 changed to +Lines: 76-83 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ __((zei'a))__|PA|(< ''zenba'') following string of digits counts upwards from the units. E.g. ''zei'a pa re ci vo'' = 4,321. (< ((And))) __((Experimental anaphorics|zo'au))__|KOhA|begin postnex|| -

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Addendum by John:
+ !Other proposals and questions about cmavo that we might need
*((A Cmavo for Unspecific Previously-Uttered Bridi))
!Addendum by John: ((And))'s current view of some of these cmavo: - ;:Some of my proposals, such as {sa'ei} are merely useful (in the Swiss army knife sense) rather than indispensable. Those that are very useful and lack any clear intrabaseline alternative are mu'ei, ba'oi, ca'ai, ka'ei, nu'oi. -
* For the meaning of "lack any clear intrabaseline alternative", see ((Criteria for evaluating experimental cmavo)). --((And))

+ *For the meaning of "lack any clear intrabaseline alternative", see ((Criteria for evaluating experimental cmavo)). --((And)) *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** See also ((Obsolete experimental cmavo)). For conciseness, some series of cmavo have been condensed into one entry. In these, ''V'' represents the last vowel of the cmavo, and ''N'' represents the number in the series (a=1 ... u=5). (Incidentally, I'd like to ask whoever's proposing these to perhaps let this space be used for new constructs, not just single-word abbreviations for 2-4 other words.) -- ((rab.spir)) * feel free to add links to new pages that subdivide the experimentals into 'new constructs' vs 'abbreviatory'. But this list is a catalogue of all experimental cmavo not declared obsolete by their proposer. --((And)) ||__((a'a'a))__|UI|Please repeat; I couldn't parse __((ba'oi))__|ROI|possible futures ROI: "p (= bridi) in PA possible future worlds (sharing same past as q) in which q (= sumti tagged by ba'oi)": (cf. mu'ei): (proposed by ((AndR))) __((bei'e))__|MAI|Placed as an evidential. The number added to the front is the decibels of logarithmic Bayesian probability the speaker assigns to the word or phrase that the {bei'e} refers to. __((bi'ai))__|CAhA|must be: modal aspect: necesary attribute __((Experimental anaphorics|boi'a...boi'u))__|KEI|interpreted as if ''cei brodV'' were assigned to terminated bridi __bua'a'a__|UI|Before I kill you I will explain my master plan __((''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a''|ca'ai))__|CAhA|"in This World is": (equivalent to but preferable to ''nau'a''). This may be the same as a simple ''((CAhA as sumtcita|ca'a))'' --((And)) __((da'ai))__|LA|yields sumti functioning as da-series KOhA. (proposed by AndR) __((da'au))__|NA|bridi tautology: bridi tautology marker; transforms an entire bridi into a tautology __((Experimental anaphorics|dau'au))__|NU|interpreted as if ''du'au ce'u'' __((du'au))__|NU|x1 is a (true?) completion to incomplete proposition expressed by bridi within the abstraction __((Experimental FA|fai'a...fai'u))__|FA|tags sumti that is ur-x''N'' (before SE conversion). ((And)) __((Experimental anaphorics|fau'a...fau'u))__|ZOhU|interpreted as if ''ce'u goi fo'V zo'u'' if following ''ka'' or ''du'au'' and as if ''ke'a goi fo'V zo'u'' if following ''poi, noi, voi'' or ''poi'i''. __((Experimental anaphorics|fei'a...fei'u))__|KU|interpreted as if ''ku goi fo'V'' __((Experimental anaphorics|foi'a...foi'u))__|KOhA|adnex-bound pro-sumti __((goi'a))__|GOI|disambiguates goi's meaning. __((ja'ai))__|NAI|affirm last word: attached to cmavo to affirm them; denies negation by nai whenever it is applicable.: [[Proposed by Mark Shoulson. (mi'e ((And)))] __((jai'a And nai'a|jai'a))__|NA|unequivocally true __((ja'u))__|BAI|as shown by: jarco modal, 1st place, as shown by... __((''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a''|ka'ei))__|CAhA|"in some world is": (equivalent to ''su'o mu'ei'') --((And)) __((Experimental anaphorics|kai'a))__|NU|interpreted as if ''ka ce'u'' __((Experimental anaphorics|kau'a...kau'u))__|ZOhU|interpreted as if ''ce'u goi ko'V zo'u'' if following ''ka'' or ''du'au'' and as if ''ke'a goi ko'V zo'u'' if following ''poi, noi, voi'' or ''poi'i''. __((Experimental anaphorics|kei'a...kei'u))__|KU|interpreted as if ''ku goi ko'V'' __((ki'ai))__|COI|ejaculative ("damn! shit! bah! yowie!"): (cp krixa, ki'a-): (proposed by ((AndR))) __((ko'ai))__|LA|yields sumti functioning as ko'a-series KOhA: (proposed by AndR) __((Experimental anaphorics|koi'a...koi'u))__|KOhA|adnex-bound pro-sumti __((An essay on gadri|la'ei))__|LA|lo : loi: lo'e :: le : lei : le'e :: la : lai : la'ei __((experimental gadri|lau'a))__|LE|''(ro) lau'a broda = ro lu'a lo klesi be lo'i broda'' __((An essay on gadri|lau'e))__|LE|''lau'e broda = lo'e ro lu'a lo klesi be lo'i broda'' __((experimental gadri|lau'i))__|LE|''lau'i broda = lo klesi be lo'i broda'' __((experimental gadri|lau'o))__|LE|''(pi ro) lau'o broda = (pi ro) lu'o (ro lu'a) lo klesi be lo'i broda'' __((le'ai))__|LEhAI|Replace recently uttered text __((le'ei))__|LE|Intensional e-gadri [[candidate meaning for ''le'e''] __((experimental gadri|lei'e))__|LE|Singularizing e-gadri [[candidate meaning for ''le'e''] __((le'ai|lo'ai))__|LOhAI|Begin quote of recently uttered text to be replaced __((lo'ei))__|LE|Intensional o-gadri [[candidate meaning for ''lo'e''] __((experimental gadri|loi'e))__|LE|Singularizing o-gadri [[candidate meaning for ''lo'e''] __((mu'ei))__|ROI|possible worlds ROI: "p (= bridi) in PA possible worlds in which q (= sumti tagged by mu'ei)": (cp. {munje, mu'e-}): (proposed by AndR) __((jai'a And nai'a|nai'a))__|NA|unequivocally false __((''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a''|nau'a))__|CAhA|"in This World is": (but ''ca'ai'' is equivalent and better) --((And)) __((nei'i))__|GOhA|current phrase: -- like ''nei'', but not restricted to bridi ((--And)) __((no'au))__|GOhA|next outer phrase: -- like ''no'a'', but not restricted to bridi ((--And)) __((Experimental anaphorics|noi'a))__|NOI|interpreted as if ''noi ke'a'' __((''ca'ai'', ''ka'ei'' and ''nu'oi', and ''nau'a''|nu'oi))__|CAhA|"in some world but not This World is": (equivalent to but preferable to ''na'e nau'a'' or ''nau'a nai'') --((And)) __((Experimental anaphorics|oi'a))__|I|interpreted as if ''i la'e di'u'' __((experimental gadri|pa'ei))__|LE|= ''da poi ke'a du le(i)'e broda a lo(i)'e broda a le du ku voi ke'a du lo(i)'e broda'' __((Experimental anaphorics|poi'a))__|NOI|interpreted as if ''poi ke'a'' __((Experimental anaphorics|poi'ai))__|NU|interpreted as if ''poi'i ke'a'' __((poi'i))__|NU|x1 is such that poi'i abstraction is true; x1 binds ''ke'a'' within the abstraction. [[proposed by ((AndR))] Arguably can be abandoned in favour of ''se ka''. See ((poi'i|discussion)). --((And)) __((ru'ai))__|KOhA|alternative form for ''((xai))'' that doesn't use up a monosyllabic cmavo. (proposed by ((AndR)).) __((le'ai|sa'ai))__|SAhAI|Begin quote of replacement for recently uttered text __((sa'ei))__|COI|expressive/ideophone ("kapow! kerrang!"): (cp sance): (proposed by ((AndR)).) __((sei'a))__|SEI|''sei'a X'' sets in force, over text within its scope, nonstandard interpretive conventions specified by X. ((And)) __((sei'u))__|UI|evidential UI, "seemingly, apparently" (< ''simlu'') (< ((And))) __((si'ei))__|SI|repetition: the following word is the same as the preceding word (proposed by ((tsali))) __((Experimental anaphorics|vau'a...vau'u))__|VAU|interpreted as if ''cei brodV'' were assigned to terminated bridi __((Experimental anaphorics|voi'a))__|NOI|interpreted as if ''voi ke'a'' __((xa'o))__|ZAhO|opposite of za'o: event contour: refers to the portion of the event which occurs before the natural beginning; starting too early before ...; <---- | | __((xai))__|KOhA|they. Repeats two or more preceding sumti, as ''ra'' repeats one. (proposed by ((Pierre Abbat))) __((xei))__|PA|hex digit E: (because ''rei'' is too close to ''re'', while all other numbers are very audibly distinct) __((xe'e))__|GOI|modal phrase: modal relative phrase marker; attaches sumti modally __((xe'i))__|???|ago: tense; tags the time interval from or to the reference point __((xi'e))__|???|non-veridical tense/modal connective: __((xi'i))__|XIhI|((Elidable terminator)) for xi: removes the ambiguity in multiple subscripts. __((xi'i2))__|???|narrative connective __((xi'i3))__|XI|extent of truth __((xo'a))__|XOhA|Loglan toggle: Toggles text to TLI Loglan; marks following text as TLI Loglan; Lojban equivalent of experimental Loglan "hoa" (which toggles text to Lojban) __((xoi'a))__|PU|monotonic increase tense; "increasing linearly over time" __((xoi'e))__|PU|exponential increase tense __((zei'a))__|PA|(< ''zenba'') following string of digits counts upwards from the units. E.g. ''zei'a pa re ci vo'' = 4,321. (< ((And))) __((Experimental anaphorics|zo'au))__|KOhA|begin postnex|| !Other proposals and questions about cmavo that we might need *((A Cmavo for Unspecific Previously-Uttered Bridi)) !Addendum by John: ((And))'s current view of some of these cmavo: ;:Some of my proposals, such as {sa'ei} are merely useful (in the Swiss army knife sense) rather than indispensable. Those that are very useful and lack any clear intrabaseline alternative are mu'ei, ba'oi, ca'ai, ka'ei, nu'oi. *For the meaning of "lack any clear intrabaseline alternative", see ((Criteria for evaluating experimental cmavo)). --((And)) _______________________________________________ Wikichanges mailing list Wikichanges@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichanges