Received: from localhost ([::1]:41891 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TfGqQ-0004Zb-Lj; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:12:58 -0800 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:32783 helo=digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TfGqG-0004ZT-9y for wikichanges@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:12:56 -0800 Received: by digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:12:47 -0800 From: "Apache" Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:12:47 -0800 To: wikichanges@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam_score: 2.0 X-Spam_score_int: 20 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page rafsi zi'evla was changed by selpa'i at 21:12 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/rafsi%20zi%27evla [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikichanges] Wiki page rafsi zi'evla changed by selpa'i X-BeenThere: wikichanges@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikichanges-bounces@lojban.org Content-Length: 3423 The page rafsi zi'evla was changed by selpa'i at 21:12 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/rafsi%20zi%27evla You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=rafsi%20zi%27evla&compare=1&oldver=1&newver=2 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 1 changed to +Lines: 1-25 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr + Talking about rafsi in Lojban get get inconvenient. Not only must some rafsi be quoted like cmevla (e.g. {zo .lob. rafsi zo lojbo}), but rafsi of the form CCV can't be quoted at all. This caused the experimental {ra'oi} to be invented, but that's not necessarily a pretty solution because it still requires obnoxious quoting.
I therefore had the idea to use a simple, predictable algorithm that lets us refer to any rafsi via a regularly generated zi'evla. The system is simple:

# Use the zi'evla prefix -rafr- or -rafsr- (it doesn't matter)
# Add the rafsi
# If the rafsi ends in a consonant, add any of the five normal vowels. Probably -i is preferable, since it's also the last vowel of {rafsi}.

That's it.

Here some examples that use each type of rafsi:

||__rafsi__|__zi'evla__
-bal- | rafrbali
-tsa- | rafrtsa
-bi'o- | rafrbi'o ||

Now you can talk about rafsi without ever needing to quote them:

lo rafrlo'i cu rafsi zo bloti
"-lo'i- is the rafsi of {bloti}"

You can even easily use them in tanru now:

lo nintadni cu su'o roi rafrpi'o se cfipu
"Beginners sometimes are confused about -pi'o-" *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** Talking about rafsi in Lojban get get inconvenient. Not only must some rafsi be quoted like cmevla (e.g. {zo .lob. rafsi zo lojbo}), but rafsi of the form CCV can't be quoted at all. This caused the experimental {ra'oi} to be invented, but that's not necessarily a pretty solution because it still requires obnoxious quoting. I therefore had the idea to use a simple, predictable algorithm that lets us refer to any rafsi via a regularly generated zi'evla. The system is simple: # Use the zi'evla prefix -rafr- or -rafsr- (it doesn't matter) # Add the rafsi # If the rafsi ends in a consonant, add any of the five normal vowels. Probably -i is preferable, since it's also the last vowel of {rafsi}. That's it. Here some examples that use each type of rafsi: ||__rafsi__|__zi'evla__ -bal- | rafrbali -tsa- | rafrtsa -bi'o- | rafrbi'o || Now you can talk about rafsi without ever needing to quote them: lo rafrlo'i cu rafsi zo bloti "-lo'i- is the rafsi of {bloti}" You can even easily use them in tanru now: lo nintadni cu su'o roi rafrpi'o se cfipu "Beginners sometimes are confused about -pi'o-" _______________________________________________ Wikichanges mailing list Wikichanges@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichanges