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Content preview: The page BPFK Section: Tense was changed by selpa'i at 13:25 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Tense [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikichanges] Wiki page BPFK Section: Tense changed by selpa'i X-BeenThere: wikichanges@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikichanges-bounces@lojban.org Content-Length: 6443 The page BPFK Section: Tense was changed by selpa'i at 13:25 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Tense You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=BPFK%20Section%3A%20Tense&compare=1&oldver=60&newver=61 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 194-198 changed to +Lines: 194-198 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ !!! Usage Examples - do mo'u cilre fo le balcu'e ca ma%%% + ca ma do mo'u cilre fo le balcu'e%%% ''When will or did you graduate from Uni?'' *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** {BOX()} !! cmavo: cu'e (CUhE) !!! Proposed Definition modal ? cu'e is a tense/modal question (meaning it takes the place of a fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the entire bridi into a question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/modal as an answer. The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'e was in the original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered to the question. To indicate that there is no value that could make that bridi true, use {fi'o me zi'o}. A more extreme rejection of the presuppositions or implicatures involved in a question is to reply with {na'i}. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also !!! Proposed Keywords * when !!! Usage Examples do cu'e se bangu la .lojban.%%% ''When did you use Lojban?'' .i doi .kapos. do cu'e tadni la .lojban. ''Kapos, when have you previously/are you currently/will you study Lojban?'' !!! Notes It is nigh impossible to translate this word into English without using at least three sentences. !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: nau (CUhE) !!! Proposed Definition A time tense, referring to current space/time absolutely. This tense is used to refer to the current time/space and ignores ki and any tenses used already. It is not grammatical to combine nau with any other cmavo in a tense, except by way of a logical or non-logical connection. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also !!! Proposed Keywords *now !!! Usage Examples ni'o nau djedi li bi fa lo mi nu spofu bu'u lo kutytu'a%%% ''It is now eight days I have been broken down in the desert.'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ba (PU) !!! Proposed Definition A time tense relation/direction. The meaning as a sumtcita is that the main bridi happens after the attached sumti. Defaults to a perspective of future-tense, and can be used with a meaning similar to future-tense in natural languages, or as "after". !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also *{ca} *{pu} *{balvi} !!! Proposed Keywords * will * going to * future-tense !!! Usage Examples ;.i .ei pei mi terve'u lo kukte pitnanba .i lo vecnu de'a lo nicte cu vecnu ba zi lo mentu be li so'u:"Should I buy a delicious pizza? The pizza place closed for the night, but is open in about a minute." .i xu ro cmene be lo gugde ba se vasru la jbovlaste%%% ''Will every country name be in Jbovlaste?'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ca (PU) !!! Proposed Definition A time tense relation/direction. The meaning as a sumtcita is that the main bridi happens simultaneous to the attached sumti. Defaults to a perspective of present-tense, and can be used with a meaning similar to present-tense in natural languages, or as "concurrent with" or "at the same time as". !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also *{ba} *{pu} *{cabna} !!! Proposed Keywords * at/during * now !!! Usage Examples .i la .ko'an. ca tcidu fi le lojbo gerna%%% ''Kohan is reading about Lojban grammar.'' .i pilno so'i denpa bu .i xu mi ca jimpe%%% ''It uses many full-stops. Do I understand?'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: pu (PU) !!! Proposed Definition before -- A time tense relation/direction. The meaning as a sumtcita is that the main bridi happens before the attached sumti. Defaults to a perspective of past-tense, and can be used with a meaning similar to past-tense in natural languages, or as "before". !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also *{ba} *{ca} *{purci} !!! Proposed Keywords * was * before * past-tense !!! Usage Examples mi pu zi dunda lo ropno rupnu be li re no la .djef.leit. noi finti la purmo noi me la .nintendon.dys. selkei%%% ''I gave twenty euros to Jeff Lait, the creator of POWDER, which is a game for the Nintendo DS.'' .i do pu cusku lu la cizra cu palci li'u%%% ''You said, 'The Strange One is evil'."'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ki (KI) !!! Proposed Definition Set tense default. Establishes attached cmavo as time, space, and/or modal reference point for following bridi, until end of text or the tense is reset. "tense default -- tense/modal: set/use tense default; establishes new open scope space/time/modal reference base --" !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also !!! Proposed Keywords !!! Usage Examples ;.i ku'i pu ki ku mi na sanji le du'u do ca mutce gunka tu'a la .penguikon.:"Previously, however, I wasn't aware of the fact that you were working hard on Penguicon." !!! Notes !!! Issues [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/318467201efe1890|Restrictions using ki?] Does a new {ki} work from an existing one, or replace it? Needs notes on cancellation (empty {ki}) and subscripting for storing tenses for later. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ca ma (PU*) !!! Proposed Definition A cmavo compound time tense relation/direction. Asks with what the main bridi is concurrent to, similar to English "when?". !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also *{ca} *{ma} !!! Proposed Keywords * when !!! Usage Examples ca ma do mo'u cilre fo le balcu'e%%% ''When will or did you graduate from Uni?'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} !! General Section Issues _______________________________________________ Wikichanges mailing list Wikichanges@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichanges