Received: from localhost ([::1]:47682 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WwFrn-0007t7-1G; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:13:23 -0700 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:42031 helo=jukni.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WwFrf-0007su-Rg for wikichanges@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:13:22 -0700 Received: by jukni.digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:13:15 -0700 From: "Apache" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:13:15 -0700 To: wikichanges@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page BPFK Section: Nonce Connectives was changed by durka42 at 15:13 EDT Comment: clarify BAhE as per mriste nuncasnu (edit 2 of 2) You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Nonce%20Connectives [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.4 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 1.0 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikichanges] Wiki page BPFK Section: Nonce Connectives changed by durka42 X-BeenThere: wikichanges@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikichanges-bounces@lojban.org Content-Length: 7131 The page BPFK Section: Nonce Connectives was changed by durka42 at 15:13 EDT Comment: clarify BAhE as per mriste nuncasnu (edit 2 of 2) You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Nonce%20Connectives You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=BPFK%20Section%3A%20Nonce%20Connectives&compare=1&oldver=19&newver=20 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 28-32 changed to +Lines: 28-33 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ !! Proposed Definition of ''za'e'' - ;__za'e__ (BAhE): Nonce word follows. Forethought nonce-word indicator. Indicates that the next word is a nonce creation or is nonstandard in some way. For grammatical purposes, "za'e" binds with and marks the following word but does not change its nature. The construct behaves just as the marked word by itself. The two words are considered distinct for "sa" matching purposes, however. In the case of an apparent conflict, the effects of this word (and all other words that change the grammatical effects of nearby words) should be read left to right. See also ba'e, sa. + ;__za'e__ (BAhE): Nonce word follows. Forethought nonce-word indicator. Indicates that the next word is a nonce creation or is nonstandard in some way. For grammatical purposes, "za'e" marks the following word but does not change its nature. (The construct behaves just as the marked word by itself, though a marked brivla may have an unpredictable place structure.) Multiple BAhE cmavo may be used in succession, and they combine to mark the next non-BAhE word.
See also ba'e, .ui, "Magic Words". ** Keywords: Nonce-word next, nonce word follows. *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** * Outstanding issues (to be fix in the mega-vote, if not sooner). ** The grizis example should be s/za'e la/la za'e/ ! Proposed Definitions And Examples !! Proposed Definition of ''ba'e'' ;__ba'e__ (BAhE): Emphasize next word. Forethought emphasis indicator. Indicates that next word is especially emphasized or emphatic. For grammatical purposes, "ba'e" marks the following word but does not change its nature. (The construct behaves just as the marked word by itself.) Multiple BAhE cmavo may be used in succession, and they combine to mark the next non-BAhE word. See also za'e, .ui, ((Magic Words)). ** Keywords: Emphasize next word, emphasize next. !! Examples of ''ba'e'' Usage ;le lisri cu ba'e pu zdile:The story WAS amusing. ;.oisai mi bilga le nu ba'e ca cliva:Dammit, I need to leave NOW. The following examples are intended to illustrate interactions of ba'e with other words of special grammatical effect, and hence may be pathological. ;mi cusku ba'e si la'e di'u:I said emphasis, no, the referent of the previous thing I said. ;ko pensi me'o depsna bu .e me'o ba'e bu:Think about "hesitation sound", and the emphasis letter. ;lo nu ciksi lo ba'e zei se zei cinmo cu nandu:Explaning the emphasis-emotion is difficult. !! Proposed Definition of ''za'e'' ;__za'e__ (BAhE): Nonce word follows. Forethought nonce-word indicator. Indicates that the next word is a nonce creation or is nonstandard in some way. For grammatical purposes, "za'e" marks the following word but does not change its nature. (The construct behaves just as the marked word by itself, though a marked brivla may have an unpredictable place structure.) Multiple BAhE cmavo may be used in succession, and they combine to mark the next non-BAhE word. See also ba'e, .ui, "Magic Words". ** Keywords: Nonce-word next, nonce word follows. !! Examples of ''za'e'' Usage ;doi grizis mi tcidu za'e la ralcku:Grizis, I read what I'll call "The Book". See also the examples for ba'e, which is grammatically identical to za'e. !! Proposed Definition of ''zei'' ;__zei__ (ZEI): lujvo glue. Connects words into a lujvo. Joins preceding and following words into a lujvo. For grammatical purposes, "zei" binds with the preceding word and the following word. The combination is considered a single brivla (i.e. it is treated as just one word). In the case of an apparent conflict, the effects of this word (and all other words that change the grammatical effects of nearby words) should be read left to right. See also lujvo. ** Keywords: lujvo glue. !! Examples of ''zei'' Usage ;pe'u ro do ko friti le se .uu zei cinmo:Please, all of you offer your sympathies. ''(Literally, "pity type of feeling".)'' ;mi lojban zei ciska:I'm Lojbanically writing. ''(Literally, "Lojban type of writer".)'' The following examples are intended to illustrate interactions of zei with other words of special grammatical effect, and hence may be pathological. ;lu da zei fa'o li'u cu mutce cizra lujvo:"da type-of fa'o" is a very strange lujvo. ;mi ciska me'o .ui zei nai bu:I wrote a frowny face. ''(Literally "happy type-of not letter".)'' ;lu zo bu zei sa si zo bu zei su li'u cu mupli:"bu type-of sa", I mean, "bu type-of su" is an example. !! Issues [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/d0c4703e985c8874|What does zei grab?] !! Proposed Definition of ''xi'' ;__xi__ (XI): Subscript. Subscript indicator. Attaches the following number or letteral string as a subscript. Can be used almost anywhere, but is mostly used on sumti and in mathematical expressions. ** Keywords: subscript, subscript indicator. !! Examples of ''xi'' Usage ;li xy. xi ci du li xy. xi pa su'i xy. xi re:x sub three = x sub one plus x sub two ;la'e di'u xi re cu xamgu se morji mi:The thing you mentioned two utterances ago is well remembered by me. ! Notes * A usage convention for superscript would be *lovely*, but no ideas are coming to mind. * Despite xi causing bizarre interactions in mekso, I honestly can't think of anything interesting to say about it. ! Impact * ba'e should be basically unchanged, except for clarification. * zei structures are now a single word for purposes of following magic words. * IMO, this is well worth having a defined precedence in all cases. ! Proposed New cmavo * Another member of ZEI with reverse-order modified-modifier semantics. ** The shepherd doesn't consider this terribly important, but it certainly would help match the rest of the language, which is very configurable. ** "broda zei co zei brode" has been suggested for this usage. Should I write that up as a usage convention? {POLL(pollId=>15)}Nonce Connectives Poll{POLL} _______________________________________________ Wikichanges mailing list Wikichanges@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichanges