Received: from localhost ([::1]:43983 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1hx8-0000HD-JT; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:04:22 -0700 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:42336 helo=digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1hx0-0000H3-G5 for wikineurotic@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:04:21 -0700 Received: by digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:04:14 -0700 From: "Apache" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:04:14 -0700 To: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam_score: 2.0 X-Spam_score_int: 20 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page LAADAN was deleted by admin at 18:03 UTC The page LAADAN was deleted but used to be here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/LAADAN [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikineurotic] Wiki page LAADAN deleted by admin X-BeenThere: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2115755949177973573==" Errors-To: wikineurotic-bounces@lojban.org Content-Length: 3101 --===============2115755949177973573== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The page LAADAN was deleted by admin at 18:03 UTC The page LAADAN was deleted but used to be here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/LAADAN *********************************************************** *********************************************************** The old page content follows below. *********************************************************** Women-specific 'artlang', invented by Suzette Haden Elgin. Lojban's ((evidentials)) are inherited from it (although of course, Láadan in turn got them from Amerindian human languages.) What does it mean for a language to have a gender? - la ((kreig.daniyl.)) Check out [http://www.interlog.com/~kms/Laadan/,] and you tell me! :-) Another "test of the ((Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis))" language. ''It has words for womanly things. That doesn't make it womanly, just gender-neutral. English may be "male" in some way, but laadan strikes me as neither.'' Láadan is clearly feminine; see the pretty purple they used for the web page? It looks like a breast cancer site. ''But is the vocabulary purple also?'' (The vocabulary is indeed worth examining; it has specific terms for things like "discord in the home", "anger, for good and not futile reasons", "pain or loss which comes as a relief by virtue of ending the anticipation of its coming", "contentment despite negative circumstances", "the female sexual act", and "the act of relinquishing a cherished/ comforting/ familiar perception".) I despair of this ThreadMode discourse ever congealing into DocumentMode :-) , but the foundational assumption of Láadan is that women's perception of the word is fundamentally incommensurable with men's. So if purple meta-means what I think it meta-means, the answer is yes. ''Lojban got its evidentials from Láadan, but they are organized quite differently:'' Láadan Evidence Act Morpheme Approximate Lojban equivalent wa za'a/se'o/ju'a wi li'a we se'o wáa .iati'e waá .ianaiti'e waálh .ianaiti'e.iunaidai? (''There must be a better word for ((malicious intent)).'') wo da'i/ru'a wóo ju'ocu'i/pe'icu'i ''This brings up an interesting question: What is the correct evidential in Lojban (assuming normal experiences) for a sentence like "mi xagji"? za'a? se'o?'' --===============2115755949177973573== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Wikineurotic mailing list Wikineurotic@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/wikineurotic --===============2115755949177973573==--