Received: from localhost ([::1]:32962 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wq0te-0000nd-C0; Thu, 29 May 2014 07:01:30 -0700 Received: from 173-13-139-235-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([173.13.139.235]:33837 helo=jukni.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wq0tW-0000nG-Ha for wikineurotic@lojban.org; Thu, 29 May 2014 07:01:28 -0700 Received: by jukni.digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 29 May 2014 07:01:22 -0700 From: "Apache" Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 07:01:22 -0700 To: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:htmlMimeMail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam_score: 2.0 X-Spam_score_int: 20 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The page BPFK Section: Tense was changed by selpa'i at 14:01 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Tense [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [173.13.139.235 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.4 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS Subject: [Wikineurotic] Wiki page BPFK Section: Tense changed by selpa'i X-BeenThere: wikineurotic@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: wikineurotic-bounces@lojban.org Content-Length: 7022 The page BPFK Section: Tense was changed by selpa'i at 14:01 UTC You can view the page by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section%3A%20Tense You can view a diff back to the previous version by following this link: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=BPFK%20Section%3A%20Tense&compare=1&oldver=67&newver=68 *********************************************************** The changes in this version follow below, followed after by the current full page text. *********************************************************** +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ @@ -Lines: 18-26 changed to +Lines: 18-26 @@ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ !!! Usage Examples - do cu'e se bangu la .lojban.%%%
''When did you use Lojban?'' + ;do cu'e se bangu la .lojban.:''When did you use Lojban?'' - .i doi .kapos. do cu'e tadni la .lojban.
''Kapos, when have you previously/are you currently/will you study Lojban?'' + ;.i doi .kapos. do cu'e tadni la .lojban.:''Kapos, when have you previously/are you currently/will you study Lojban?''

;do cikybi'o cu'e lo nu lo zerle'a cu cliva:''Did you wake up before or after the burglar left, or while he left, or what?'' !!! Notes *********************************************************** The new page content follows below. *********************************************************** {BOX()} !! cmavo: cu'e (CUhE) !!! Proposed Definition Tense/modal question. (meaning it takes the place of a fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the entire bridi into a question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/modal as an answer. The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'e was in the original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered to the question. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o mo !!! See Also * {mo} * {ma} * {xu} !!! Proposed Keywords * when !!! Usage Examples ;do cu'e se bangu la .lojban.:''When did you use Lojban?'' ;.i doi .kapos. do cu'e tadni la .lojban.:''Kapos, when have you previously/are you currently/will you study Lojban?'' ;do cikybi'o cu'e lo nu lo zerle'a cu cliva:''Did you wake up before or after the burglar left, or while he left, or what?'' !!! Notes It is nigh impossible to translate this word into English without using at least three sentences. !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: nau (CUhE) !!! Proposed Definition Time tense. It refers to the current space/time absolutely. !!! Proposed Tag !!! See Also !!! Proposed Keywords * now * here and now !!! Usage Examples ni'o nau djedi li bi fa lo mi nu spofu bu'u lo kutytu'a%%% ''It is now eight days I have been broken down in the desert.'' !!! Notes !!! Issues While this word can be used as a sumtcita, it has no specified meaning, nor can I think of any useful meaning. I would like to add a sentence to the definition that says something like "Use as a sumtcita is not intended" or somesuch. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ba (PU) !!! Proposed Definition A time tense relation/direction. The meaning as a sumtcita is that the main bridi happens after the attached sumti. Defaults to a perspective of future-tense, and can be used with a meaning similar to future-tense in natural languages, or as "after". !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se balvi !!! See Also *{ca} *{pu} *{balvi} !!! Proposed Keywords * will * going to * future-tense !!! Usage Examples .i xu ro cmene be lo gugde ba se vasru la jbovlaste%%% ''Will every country name be in Jbovlaste?'' ;.au pei mi'o kelci lo bolci ba lo nu mi cikre lo karce:''Would you like us to play ball after I fix the car?'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ca (PU) !!! Proposed Definition A time tense relation/direction. The meaning as a sumtcita is that the main bridi happens simultaneous to the attached sumti. Defaults to a perspective of present-tense, and can be used with a meaning similar to present-tense in natural languages, or as "concurrent with" or "at the same time as". !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se cabna !!! See Also *{ba} *{pu} *{cabna} !!! Proposed Keywords * at/during * now !!! Usage Examples ;xu do ca jimpe:''Do you now understand?'' ;.i la .ko'an. ca tcidu fi la xunre cukta:''Kohan is reading in the Red Book.'' ;.i ui mi surla ca lo cabdei:''Yay, today I relax.'' ;mi ca lo nu mi'o kansi'u cu glekyrai lo ro remna:''When we are together, I am the happiest of all the humans.'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: pu (PU) !!! Proposed Definition Before. A time tense relation/direction. The meaning as a sumtcita is that the main bridi happens before the attached sumti. Defaults to a perspective of past-tense, and can be used with a meaning similar to past-tense in natural languages, or as "before". !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se purci !!! See Also *{ba} *{ca} *{purci} !!! Proposed Keywords * was * before * past-tense !!! Usage Examples ;mi pu zi dunda lo ropno rupnu be li re no la .djef.leit. noi finti la purmo ku noi me la .nintendon.dys. selkei:''I just gave twenty euros to Jeff Lait, the creator of POWDER, which is a game for the Nintendo DS.'' ;.i do pu cusku lu la cizra cu palci li'u:''You said, 'The Strange One is evil'.'' ;mi djica lo nu do pu lo nu sipna cu lumci lo denci be do:''I want you to brush your teeth before you sleep.'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ki (KI) !!! Proposed Definition Set tense default. Establishes attached cmavo as time, space, and/or modal reference point of the bridi, until end of text or the tense is reset. !!! Proposed Tag fi'o manri !!! See Also !!! Proposed Keywords * set reference point * from !!! Usage Examples ;.i mi sipna ki lo zdani be mi va lo ki'otre be li so'i:''I slept many kilometres away from home.'' ;.i ku'i pu ki ku mi na sanji le du'u do ca mutce gunka tu'a la .penguikon.:''Previously, however, I wasn't aware of the fact that you were working hard on Penguicon.__ !!! Notes !!! Issues [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/318467201efe1890|Restrictions using ki?] Does a new {ki} work from an existing one, or replace it? Needs notes on cancellation (empty {ki}) and subscripting for storing tenses for later. {BOX} {BOX()} !! cmavo: ca ma (PU*) !!! Proposed Definition A cmavo compound time tense relation/direction. Asks with what the main bridi is concurrent, similar to English "when?". !!! Proposed Tag fi'o se cabna ma !!! See Also *{ca} *{ma} !!! Proposed Keywords * when !!! Usage Examples ca ma do mo'u cilre fo le balcu'e%%% ''When will or did you graduate from Uni?'' !!! Notes !!! Issues {BOX} !! 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