Re: [bpfk] O HAI I FIXT UR LODGEBANZ

[Adam Lopresto <adamlopresto@gmail.com>]

Sounds like we're more or less in agreement over (1) and (3), then. So
what would you use {ni} for? Also, "the length of the car" seems
something important to be able to say, although I can't actually think
of any use for it. CLL talks about {le ni le pixra cu blanu [kei]} as
"the amount-of (the picture being-blue)", but doesn't give any place
where that sumti would actually be useful. What am I overlooking?
Maybe

2') "The length of the car amazed me." (mi manci lo <abstractor> lo
karce cu clani)

Feel free to provide a better example, or say flat out that there is
never a use for "the length of the car".

2010/10/13 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Adam Lopresto <adamlopresto@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So here are the use cases I can think of. If there are others, let me know.
> > 1) "Frank is more blue than Bob." (la .frank. la .bab. zmadu lo <abstractor>
> > ce'u blanu)
> > 2) "The length of the car is 3 meters." (lo <asbtractor> lo karce cu clani
> > cu mitre li ci)
> > 3) "The number of things John invented amazes me." (mi manci lo <abstractor>
> > la .djan. finti <ce'u?>)
> > So how do we resolve all of these?
>
> This is how I would say those:
>
> (1) la .frank. la .bab. cu zmadu lo ka [ce'u] blanu
> (2) lo karce cu mitre li ci lo ka [ce'u] clani
> (3) mi manci lo du'u la .djan. cu finti xo kau da
>
> > For a while, I've been using {ni} as
> > though it meant {su'u se la'u ma kau}, which seems to cover 1 and 2 (since
> > {su'u} could take a {ce'u} or not), but seems sloppy.
>
> I think I only use "ni" for "ka se la'u ma kau", so in none of the
> above examples, although arguably it could be used in (1).
>
> I don't think I would use "ce'u" in (3). It might make sense if the
> place structure of "manci" was "x1 is amazed at x2 due to its property
> x3", in which case the "ce'u" of property x3 is where the x2 would
> fall, but not as it is.
>
> > For 3, I'd have to use
> > something like {su'u la .djan. ciska xo kau da} (possibly with something
> > other than {su'u}), which may or may not be good.
>
> That's what I would do.
>
> > Can we at least agree that all three of these need to be representable
> > somehow, but that they are not the same?
>
> I agree (1) and (3) are different. I don't think the length of the car
> is much different from the blueness of Frank and Bob, though. (And I
> wouldn't say that the length of the car is three meters in length.
> Properties don't really have length.)
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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