Re: [bpfk] BPFK work - getting it done.

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

2010/10/14 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> I officially declare {baba} as evil.

There is really no reason to have a special definition for "ba ba". I
thought we had decided to remove it from the list of definitions.

Really? I hadn't heard.

> Based on it meaning "will be going to",
> I've determined that it is the "Durational (progressive/continuous) Aspects
> in Future" from this wikipedia page:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_tense

That's not right though. There is no indication of aspect in "ba ba".

And in any case, the "Durational (progressive/continuous) Aspects in
Future" is "I will be going" as in "I will be singing". Don't confuse
"I will be going (home)",  with "I will be going to (sing)", where
"go" is used as an auxiliary.

Yes. I know. I'm a native English speaker. I know the difference between "I will be going home" and "I will be going to sing". If you look at the chart on the linked page, you'll see that /all/ of the entries have the word "aspects" in them. And obviously {baba} has nothing to do with a destination. It is the stupidity of the English language using "will be going to" that's the problem here.
 

But neither of those is "ba ba" in any case. "I will be going" is "mi
ba ca'o klama", and "I will be going to sing" is "mi ba pu'o klama".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

From the cmavo list at http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/cmavo_selmaho_order.txt:
> baba      - PU* -      will be going to - time tense: will be going to; (tense/modal)

Personally, I'm in agreement with you. But I'm working on describing the unfinished cmavo entries in the BPFK sections, this is one of the entries, and that's it's official definition, stupid as it is.

I would like to at this time seek approval for removing the following entries from the BPFK Section: Tense page:

{baba}¹
{bapu}¹

{puba}¹

{pupu}¹

{baca'a}²
{caca'a}²
{cajeba}²
{puca'a}²
{pujeba}²
{pujeca}²
{puza}²
{puze'a}²
{puze'i}²
{puze'u}²
{puzi}²
{puzu}²

¹ Official meaning differs from usage, as well as being non-intuitive.
² Meaning is obvious given meaning of components and therefore does not need it's own entry.

-- 
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