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Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form


On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 9:19 PM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
coi ro me byfy

peg morphology allows cmavo beginning with "consonant glide":

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+PEG+Morphology+Algorithm
cmavo-form <- !h !cluster onset (nucleus h)* (!stressed nucleus / nucleus !cluster) / y+ / digit
onset <-  h / consonant? glide / initial

while CLL3.4 disallows it:
"the ten following ones [diphtongs with on-glide, i.e. beginning with i or u] are used only as stand-alone words and in Lojbanized names and borrowings."

It's not very clear that it disallows them, it just says that they are not used. I don't think for example that the form "ie'a" should be disallowed as a cmavo form, even though it uses "ie" not as a stand-alone word.  I wouldn't mind disallowing "consonant glide" in cmavo if they were also disallowed in zi'evla. If they were disallowed in cmavo but not in zi'evla, would that make "jiebroda" a valid zi'evla?
 
Which is official now?

CLL, even though it leaves some points of the morphology unclear.
 
La jbovlaste allows it based on peg morphology, and la gleki and I don't agree to the new rule. Concretely, an experimental cmavo "jie'e'e" is now discussed:
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=27527;natlangword=0;commentid=0;definition=0
 
If this new rule is official, CLL3.4 must be modified.

The PEG morphology is not yet official. I would have been happy to disallow "consonant glide" as a valid onset altogether, but other people were opposed to that at the time. Some would have even allowed "CC glide" as a syllable onset, so allowing a single consonant was something of a compromise. I would be happy to go with the more strict "onset <-  h / glide / initial" if that's the new consensus, although in that case there are probably several words in jbovlaste that would have to be revised.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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