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Re: [bpfk] Officially updating "Complete Lojban Language" grammar book. An official LLG proposal passed. Your help needed.



Not quite directly relevant to this, but also regarding hyphens:  I recall long LONG ago, when I was making a lujvo of vofli+litru, (to express just "flying along"; it looks like vofli alone would have worked okay, but it may have had a different place structure then, or maybe I just didn't realize it.  Not the point), with the rafsi -voi- plus -li'u-, obviously I need a consonant hyphen to get the required consonant cluster, but the rules stipulated that it *had* to be -r-, thus, voirli'u. which at least to my articulatory organs felt quite awkward.  It winds up being closer to 4 syllables than 3; the -r- becomes vocalic, or nearly so.  Not so if I had been allowed to say *voinli'u.  Is there a reason to forbid giving the speaker a choice regarding the consonant-hyphen, given that there are only two(?) allowed anyway?

~mark

On 8/7/19 1:33 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote:
coi lojbo

ni'o
mi mo'u tcidu le nu galfi be cy ly ly kei stidi liste .i da'a le se stidi cu se zanru mi .i dei noi notci cu pinka po'o pa le se stidi .i ca ku mi na'e tolcru ri

ni'o
stidi lo nu vimcu zoi gy
    It is illegal to add a hyphen at a place that is not required by this
    algorithm.
gy gi'e jmina zoi gy
    It is possible to optionally add an y-hyphen between the consonants of any
    permissible consonant pair e.g. for stylistic purposes or for the ease of
    pronunciation.
gy
.i lo mukti be le se go'i cu na filsmu .i .e'u ko ga'i nai sitna lo purci ke casnu se cusku ku le se stidi

ni'o
ji'a le se stidi cu simlu lo ka jai tolsarcu je xlali .i sa'e ju'o cu'i le cnino javni cu fanta tu'a lo fu'ivla

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Hello Lojbanis,

I have read the list of change proposals to CLL. All the proposals except one are fine by me. This message is a comment on one of the proposals. I am not vetoing it at this time.

It is suggested to replace:
    It is illegal to add a hyphen at a place that is not required by this
    algorithm.
with:
    It is possible to optionally add an y-hyphen between the consonants of any
    permissible consonant pair e.g. for stylistic purposes or for the ease of
    pronunciation.

The motivation for this is not clear. If you could possibly cite past discussions in support of this proposal, that would be nice.

Furthermore, the proposal appears to be unnecessary and detrimental. To be precise, it seems to me that the new rules would prevent some fu'ivla.


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