Re: Re: RE: Re: lo'edu'u

[Nick Nicholas <opoudjis@optushome.com.au>]

cu'u la xod
> > (Of course, this is disingenuous, because the typical box (mode) is of
> > course brown --- cardboard. Should have stuck with home cities of
> > Americans.)
>
>
> I think that by not seizing the liferaft {of interpreting lo'e as 
> either
> mode or median}, but allowing ambiguity between the two, you've doomed
> yourself to the riptides of eternal jboske.

Agreed-ish. And right now, I vote mode.

> Watch it! You're trying to give kau a sane and consistent meaning. 
> Which,
> of course, collides with the way Jorge and his disciples use it.

*chuckle* Don't know if anyone has any disciples here though...

> For
> instance, in that case, makau would mean "I know the value, but I want 
> you
> to tell me anyway".

I'd rather sleaze out with "one knows the value" (may not be me!)

Oh, and I'm confused about your counterexample, Jorge:

> The "known" part is not right. It comes from most examples of
> {kau} being based on {djuno}, but it is not really part of {kau}.
> We can say {noda djuno le du'u makau zukte}, "nobody knows who
> did it", for example, where {kau} obviously does not mean that
> the value is known. It is not even clear that it need be
> instantiated.

But, if {le du'u makau zukte} means "someone dunnit, for a known 
'someone'", then {pa da djuno ledu'u makau zukte} means "one person 
knows that {someone dunnit, for a known someone}", and {no da djuno 
ledu'u makau zukte} means "no person knows that {someone dunnit, for a 
known someone}". I think there's a scoping effect here: whether the x1 
of djuno is filled or not, or by what, {le du'u makau zukte} asserts 
the instantiation of the sumti. If the x1 of djuno is 0, then that 
whole jufra is not known by anyone, so the instantiation is held to be 
bogus anyway.

I haven't studied or thought about {kau}, so who knows, mebbe you're 
right. But this doesn't convince me.

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