Re: [jboske] kau

[And Rosta <arosta@uclan.ac.uk>]

Jordan:
#On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:27:03AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
#> On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, And Rosta wrote:
#[...]
#> > We may disagree about whether an answer is a sumti or a du'u, but
#> > certainly lo'i du'u Qkau is a set of *propositional* 'answers' like "Alice
#> > shot JR".
#> 
#> What's a propositional answer? Do you mean a filled repeat of the original
#> question, such as "Alice shot JR."? Fine, but then let's stop chanting the
#> mantra that du'u makau zukte is the/an answer to the question. It's not an
#> answer, it's a du'u statement which happens to answer the question --
#> because it *contains* the answer.

That's all that's meant. Myself, I'm not sure whether an 'answer' is a 
proposition or merely a bit of information. I'd be happy to try to remember
to use a term other than 'answer', if you (xod) can suggest one.

#I think what AndR is saying is that if I have:
# ledu'u makau klama le zarci
#it's the same as
# ro lu'a ledu'u la djan. klama le zarci kei kuce ledu'u
# la djen. klama le zarci kei kuce ledu'u ...
#For each value of X placed in the x1.

Yes. That's what {ro du'u makau klama le zarci} means, and if you
are happy that {(ro) le du'u makau klama le zarci} means the same,
then all well and good.

#Other types of kau (jikau, xukau, etc) return smaller sets.

Yes.

#Whether or not this actually makes sense, OTOH is debatable. At
#the very least, it would mean that AndR's lo'edu'u stuff is probably
#wrong (at least when the du'u contains a kau), because du'u wouldn't
#neccesarily be a singleton.

Since coming to agree with the story developed by pc & xorxes, I
no longer use {lo'e du'u ma kau}. I actually prefer {du'au ce'u} to
{du'u makau}, but either way I would not claim that the set is
singleton.

#Actually it is in fact wrong. Here's why:
#	la djan. klama le zarci
#	mi djuno ledu'u makau klama le zarci
#should not imply
#	mi djuno ledu'u la djen. klama le zarci

It doesn't imply that. Your Lojban says "I know each of
certain propositional-answers to the incomplete proposition
X went to the market". The sentence doesn't say which
propositional-answers are in {le'i du'u makau klama le
zarci}, but a reasonable inference would be that this
is the set of all true answers.

--And.