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Re: [jboske] default quantifiers (was: RE: individuation and masses


la and cusku di'e

IM-strongly-held-O, non-pi quantifiers are compatible only with
individuals-gadri, and pi-quantifiers should never be implicit.
Pi-quantifiers are just a shorthand for "pagbu be". 'Individuals-gadri'
= 'quantified gadri'.

I understand pi-quantifiers differently. To me, they mean:

piQ lo'i broda = lu'i Q lo broda
piQ le'i broda = lu'i Q le broda

piQ loi broda = lu'o Q lo broda
piQ lei broda = lu'o Q le broda

where Q = ro, su'o, so'a, so'e, etc.
For actual numbers (pimu, etc) the formula is more complicated
but it's the same idea.

> It's sensible to talk about two
> collectives of people, so if 'loi prenu' is a collective of people, then
> 're loi prenu' should be two collectives of people

No, no more than 're lo'i prenu' would mean two sets of people.

I agree for LE-gadri, which admit a single underlying set.

'loi prenu' is the collective of the set of all people. If you
want to talk about two collectives of people, you need to use
"re girzu".


But I think {re lu'o lo prenu} should work. {lu'o lo prenu}
is a collective of some people, and there are many possible
such collectives, so {lu'o} should be quantifiable. Same
with {re lu'i lo prenu} for "two sets of (some) people".

There has never been a strict definition of how LAhEs work
though.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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