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Re: [jboske] Nick on propositionalism &c. (was: RE: Digest Number 134
At 02:48 PM 12/28/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > This solution is not always satisfactory, though. Consider:
> >
> > This branch has the shape of three intertwined snakes
> >
> > It is not enough to say there are in some world three snakes
> > that have the shape of this branch. That statement would presumably
> > be true whatever the shape of the branch
>
> Eh?
>
> You gotta mold the snakes into the shape you want in some world or
> over.
>
> I simply cannot see the problem with:
>
> su'o da poi munje ku'o
> ci de poi since
> zi'e poi da vasru de
> zo'u:
> le ti tricyspi tarmi simsa
> lu'o ci de poi gunma torni [vi da]
The problem is that virtually any shape is the shape of some three
snakes in some imaginary world. I don't deny that Grice can come
to the rescue somehow, but He needs to be given a helping hand by
what we actually say.
lo'ese'o since cimei
should mean the snake-threesome typicality that I internally generate.
I also wonder whether simlu would be better than simsa - and simlu should
be defined so that it is clearly understood that the resembled need not be
a real thing.
I suspect that one original motivation for si'o pertained to this sort of
problem, but I can't quickly figure how to apply it here, and I'm running
low on time.
> Gricean salvator again. Don't read in any implicit quantifier where it
> makes no sense. And do no such reasoning, unless you insert all
> explicit quantifiers: {loi} by itself has no meaning, unless it's
> quantified
CLL
{loi} = {pisu'o loi} & means "pisu'o loi"
{piroloi} means "piro loi" = "loi"
Where is the latter? loi should have a default quantifier of su'o in
CLL. There seems to be disagreement as to what it should be for lei.
you:
{loi} ambiguous between {pisu'oloi}, "pisu'oloi", and {piroloi}, "loi".
You are deviating from CLL. If CLL is to be changed here, better to
make bare {loi} mean "loi" (= "piroloi").
That would change the default quantifier.
lojbab
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