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Re: [jboske] RE: [lojban] djedi li integer



In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:27:08 PM Central Standard Time,cowan@ccil.org writes:
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Umm, rather specious.  Saying that the integers are reals does not mean that
integer operations are the same as real operations: obviously they aren't.

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Actually, the speciousness lies -- if I remember correctly -- in the fact that "is an integer" cannot even be defined in analysis, which seems an evenstronger reason to doubt that integers are reals.  And, if that is the case, integer operations ae not even subsets of real operations -- at least not specificable subsets.

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Well, if you take the view that a natural number n *is* the set of sets
of cardinality n (Frege) or that it *is* a Zermelo set, or whatever, then
you may have trouble identifying the rest of the numeric tower with these
particular sets.? But I don't take that viewpoint: I'm an unabashed Platonist.
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???!  More a Platonist than Frege or Zermelo!  Or Platon, for that matter, who clearly distinguishes between arithmetic numbers (natural) and geometric (real).  It is an odd Platonist who thinks that two thingsthat lie under different universals are nontheless the same.  That isthe sort of thing that can happen only in the confused world of shadows, not in The Real World.