Re: [jboske] putative tense scope effects (was: RE:

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

la pycyn cusku di'e

> On the
> other hand, it it is used to introduce a character which has a continuing
> life in the text, it is, as in logic, a singular (and dealt with most
> effectively with a namely-rider, {goi ...}. It is the easiest way to get 
> to
> a singular in Lojban.

The namely-rider can be used with {lo broda} as easily as
with {da poi broda}, so I don't see how that makes a
difference.

I still have trouble with this namely-rider notion though.
I don't see how it can be made to work in general. It requires
a very restricted context.

Consider this example:

le ci nanmu cu kansa da poi ninmu zi'e goi ko'a
Each of the three men was with a woman, ko'a.

I don't see any way to use ko'a unless we remain within
the scope of {ro le ci nanmu}. But extending the scope
of a quantifier beyond the bridi in which it appears
leads to madness, especially if ko'a is going to be a
character with continuing life in the text. So
namely-riders with su'o make sense only if the context
is such that there is nothing with scope over this su'o.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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