[jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 03

["A. PIEKARSKI" <totus@rogers.com>]

mmm, this is why I hate English.  Words shouldn't have primary, secondary, and a hundred other possible meanings.

So, given this English definition, what would we call the hair on a cats face that is not the long vibrissae?

Which of these meanings is referred to in alice?  Is it talking about {ganse zei kerfa} or {flira zei kerfa}?  I'm guessing that the rabbit is talking about his {ganse zei kerfa noi bu'u le flira}.

Maybe both words should be defined and la .alis should be modified to say {gaskre} instead of {zbikre}.

 

Thanks all.  I will enter both {zbikre} and {gaskre} into jbovlaste.  Xorxes and I believe the White Rabbit would be quite happy with {zbikre}.

 

totus

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:40 AM, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:

"Whiskers" in English refers primarily to human facial hair, and only
secondarily to the vibrissae of cats, rats, etc.  The OED says:  "The
hair that grows on an adult man's face; formerly commonly applied to
that on the upper lip, now called moustache, and sometimes to (or
including) that on the chin (beard); now usu. restricted to that on
the cheeks or sides of the face."

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought calling a mans facial hair "whiskers" was just a way to be funny
> or something.  Male facial hair is not whiskers.  I'm pretty sure that no
> human possesses whiskers.
> I think I would tend to agree with zefram here.
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:55 AM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
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>> > A. PIEKARSKI wrote:
>> > >1)
>> > >k1 zbikre k2=n2
>> > >k1 are the whiskers of k2=n2
>> > >from
>> > >k1 kerfa k2 lo nazbi be n2 n3 ku k3
>> >
>> > The distinguishing feature of whiskers is not their location but their
>> > function: they are sensory organs.  This distinguishes them from most
>> > nasal hair, and indeed they are found not only on faces but also on
>> > forelegs.  I suggest {gaskre} ({ganse kerfa}), with a place structure
>> > such as:
>> >
>> >     k1=g3 are the whiskers attached to k2=g1 at locus k3 for the
>> >     detection of stimuli g2 under conditions g4
>> >
>> But not all whiskers are sensory hairs (vibrissa).  My neighbour has a
>> few whiskers on his nose, but hardly sensory.  {zbikre} would still be
>> more appropriate.
>>
>> However, {gaskre] seems a useful lujvo whose gloss would be:
>> whisker; sensory hair
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