[jbovlaste] Re: grammatical constituents

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Thursday 03 September 2009 09:54:24 tijlan wrote:
> pe'u lo te sidbo ko stidi tu'a lo xamgu ke jbobau xe fanva be di'e noi
> gerna valsi
> (please idea-ers, do suggest good lojbanic translations of the
> following, which are grammar words)
>
> subject
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject_(grammar)
>
> object
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_(grammar)
>
> i o'i.i'i zo'oi .subject. ka'e frica zo'oi .agent.
> ([caution-together] "subject" can be different from "agent")
>
> agent
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_(linguistics)

I think the subject should be called lo sumti be fi li pa, the direct object 
lo sumti be fi li re, and the indirect object lo sumti be fi li ci. Except in 
ergative constructions, where the subject sumti fi li re and the direct 
object sumti fi li pa. This doesn't mean that they are normally in that 
order, but verbs more often have a first sumti than a second, and a second 
more often than a third.

Pierre