[jbovlaste] Re: Esther Chapter 2

["komfo,amonan" <komfoamonan@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:

> > 3) {speme'a}
> >
> > m1=s1 is a concubine, with lower rank than m2 by the amount of m4 ranks,
> belonging to s2 under tradition s3.
> >
>
>   No.  I have it me'aspe, not speme'a (as you have here)  for a
> reason.  I think the important thing is that it's a wife, not that
> it's a lesser thing.
>
>   m1=s1 is a concubine/lesser spouse of s2 under law/custom/convetion s3
>

> >

But isn't this the same situation that we discussed with xorxes for words like
{selteptce}, {stanycma}, and plinycma?

fearsome: {selteptce} not {tceselte'a}  
from: m1 mutce lo ka t2 se terpa t1 kei m3
 
sprout: {stanycma} not {cmastani}
from: c1=s1 cmalu loka stani s2 kei c3
 
asteroid {plinycma} not {cmaplini}
from: c1 cmalu loka p1 plini p2 p3 p4 kei c3
 
In all the above cases, _tce, _cma, etc can be expanded easily to their
origins.  How would you expand {tceselte'a}, {cmastini}, {cmaplini} and ...
{me'aspe}?

It should be noted here that {cmalu} & {mutce} don't operate in the same way. Specifically, while your expansion involving {mutce} seems sound to me, your expansion involving {cmalu} decidedly does not. 

cmalu : x1 is small in property/dimension(s) x2 (ka) as compared with standard/norm x3

A small planet is not small in the property/dimension of being a planet. I think the underlying tanru, {cmalu plini} expands to {cmalu je plini} or {c1=p1 cmalu c2 c3 gi'e plini p2 p3 p4}.

While this obviously yields {cmaplini} to us, I hesitate to assert that the native Lojban speaker will make the sort of adjective/noun distinction that we do, since the language doesn't really make the distinction, & maybe {plinycma} & {cmaplini} will be both be used, depending on context/emphasis.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan