Re: [jbovlaste] berbere, berberi

[Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>]

On Sunday, January 27, 2013 13:34:17 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> What is the rule for fu'ivla that can differ in the last vowel then?
> Whats the difference between tci'ili and kapsiku?

1. If a fu'ivla ends in more than one vowel, you can't remove the last vowel 
and get a rafsi, so it can differ in the last vowel.
2. Change the single last vowel to 'y' and append a gismu such that not 
putting the 'y' would violate phonotactics. If the result is a lujvo composed 
entirely of gismu/cmavo rafsi (regardless of whether some of the "rafsi" 
aren't actually rafsi of a word), then the fu'ivla does not have a rafsi, and 
you can change its last vowel and get a different word.
3. If the result, when preceded by a CV cmavo, is a lujvo composed of 
gismu/cmavo rafsi, the fu'ivla does have a rafsi, but it cannot be used at the 
beginning of a word. To use the fu'ivla at the beginning of a lujvo, keep the 
vowel and append "'y".
4. If the result is not a lujvo composed of gismu/cmavo rafsi, either by 
itself or preceded by CV, the fu'ivla has a rafsi obtained by dropping the 
last vowel. If the fu'ivla begins with a vowel, prepend an apostrophe if it's 
preceded by another rafsi.

So, starting with "tci'ile":
1. it ends with a single vowel
2. consider "tci'ilylabno". "i'il" and "ci'il" aren't rafsi of anything, and 
"tci'il" isn't a rafsi of a gismu or cmavo, so it's not a lujvo composed of 
gismu/cmavo rafsi.
3. add "le" to get "letci'ilylabno". "let" is a rafsi, but "ci'il" is not.
4. conclude that "tci'ile" does have a rafsi "tci'il".

And starting with "kapsiku":
1. it ends with a single vowel
2. consider "kapsikyxukmi". This is a lujvo of "skapi silka xukmi". Therefore 
"kapsiku" does not have a rafsi "kapsik".

Pierre

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Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.


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