[lojban-beginners] Re: New beginner

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:17:24PM +1000, Tristan Mc Leay wrote:
> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> >On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:21:04AM +1000, Tristan Mc Leay wrote:
> >
> >>mi'e tcristyn. 
> >
> >
> >I doubt you wanted the 'c' there.
> 
> I pronounce it with a noticeable affricative in the first position,
> [tSrist@n] sound more like [tSr\Ist@n] than [trist@n], regardless of
> what value the [r] has (noticeable enough that I realised I (and
> people around me) was (were) using 'ch' rather than 't' in 'Tristan'
> and 'train' when I was in primary school). If doing that is evil of
> me, I can settle for tristyn, though.

OK.  I'm surprised, but whatever works for you.  In Lojban, that
probably breaks down syllabically into tcr-i-styn.

> >>So I've kinda read a bit about Lojban now, and decided that it
> >>sounds interesting and worth learning. So far, I have read various
> >>webpages, the first part of the level 0 booklet, and I'm working
> >>through Chapter 6 (Time and Space) of Robin Turner and Nick
> >>Nicholas's Lojban For Beginners lessons. 
> >
> >
> >Make sure it's this version:
> >
> >http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/
> 
> I had actually downloaded the PDF from ptolemy.tlg.uci.edu, linked to
> from the Lojban website. It has the same date though (and the same md5
> checksum), so unless the PDF is out of line with the HTML I suppose
> I'm okay.

Same thing.

> >>At this stage, the most annoying thing to me was that everything I'd
> >>read started using words (_cmene_ etc.) repeatedly before
> >>introducing the pronunciation, so I had to take a stab at the
> >>pronunciation of <c> and I was wrong, but it stuck .ue.i'enai. I've
> >>just about got over that. 
> >
> >
> >Ouch.  Most of our introductory stuff should have pronounciation
> >guides early on; can you point to something in particular?
> 
> Well, I think the 'What is Lojban?'/the level 0 booklet is the worst
> offender, 

The complete pronounciation guide is in *Appendix* A.  Appendices are
meant to be read out-of-order.

> It probably didn't help that I started by reading the Wikipedia entry
> on the topic, which has words but no pronunciation anywhere. I suppose
> I might've been exaggerating, but it seems like you're reading more
> than you are, there's so much of it :)

Eep!  If someone who knows Wikipedia could fix that, I'd appreciate it.

-Robin

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