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[lojban-beginners] "by standard" "under conditions"



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I have a bear of a time with two of the more common "trailing" places of gismu, places labeled "by standard xn" and "under conditions xn". Do abstractions belong in there? Objects? I suppose examples of such gismu with all their places filled would be ideal, if anyone's game. Thanks in advance.

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