I've played that sound clip a dozen times in a row, on headphones. For
the life of me, the left-channel sound which you say is correct sounds
like "h". The right channel sound with the trill I recognize as "x".
If I'm incorrect on this, then so are the Lojbanists who sent in
recordings of themselves to play on the podcast, reading the
holoalphabetic sentence. No one is going to confuse that sound for
another letter in Lojban, but they will mistake the sound you say is
correct, for "h". Every time.
If these are alternate pronunciations, we would already have defacto
alternate pronunciations of {x}, which we have no choice but to
accept. I don't really consider it alternate, for the same reason that
I consider plosives in English to be the same sound whether they are
pronounced with an actual plosive, or just pronouced as a stop.
-epkat
On 10/12/06, Alex Martini <alexjm@umich.edu> wrote:
In episode two, I hear you use an unvoiced velar (maybe glottal)
trill when reading the holoalphabetic sentence, and when you say {xu}
in the list of cmavo at the end.
For comparison purposes, I stuck a short recoding of both on my site.
http://umich.edu/~alexjm/
I would suspect that if a Lojban speaker hears the velar fricative,
the uvular fricative, or the velar trill, these are all close enough
to get across the point that {x} was the intended phoneme. How were
the original "allowed alternates" decided, and is it possible to add
to these at some point?
On Oct 12, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Matt Arnold wrote:
> On 10/12/06, Gabriel Koulikov <gabekoulikov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From what I can tell, even Matt Arnold of the wonderful
>> jbocradi podcast mispronounces it in ALL of his podcasts to date.
>
> That's news to me. What do the others think?
> -Matt (epkat)
>