[lojban-beginners] Re: My First Lojban Words 1.4

[m.kornig@sondal.net]

Selon "Turniansky, Michael \\[UNK\\]" <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com>:

>   Take it from someone who has 5 kids.  That is NOT how kids learn
> language.  They learn it because they hear native speakers conversing in
> it around them 12 hours/day for 2-3 years.  They do not "repear and use"
> properly formed sentences.   They start first with one word utterances
> (Mama, Papa and No (or equivalents) being the usual first 3 words
> learned after about a year of constant "study").  At the crtical age of
> 1-3 they pick up many new words a day, but grammar and so forth is still
> iffy. Two word utterances such as "ball gone" are picked up usually late
> in the second year.  They eventually spring to multi word sentences, but
> are still not producing properly formed adult-style sentences, and will
> do things like overly-generalize ("I runned with Daddy") as they begin
> to intuit the rules of grammar, no matter how often they are corrected
> (my 4-year-old still says, "I'm am....") (granted, that particular
> problem isn't an issue with lojban, since the grammar is entirely
> regular).

Yes. I observe the same steps/stages and typical mistakes with
my adults who learn a foreign language.

> So, sure, if you want to spend a few years fluently
> conversing in lojban around a frustrated adult beginner and correcting
> his mistakes, you might have some success.  But that's not what you are
> proposing here.  You are proposing a static word/phrase book without any
> chance of learning grammar,

This is what is available now... But I plan to create a dynamic, online
e-learning tool. With sound, with pictures, with online exercises, etc.

> which will possibly let them learn 117
> words, but nothing else.  Certainly nothing higher than the "point and
> gesture" stage. In general, second languages by older children and
> adults are acquired much differently, using the fact that they already
> understand how languages work.  You don't have to start them with ground
> zero.