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[lojban-beginners] Re: '''''''''''



Jared Angell wrote:
Why was ' chosen instead of h? since h is left out but it's in the middle of the keyboard (even in Russian) this bothers me as a bad and annoying choice as the ' seems counterintuitive to anyone accustomed to the romantic character set and keyboard. Perhaps there are Spanish and French keyboards which readily have ' but lack h????

This irritates me something fierce so I'd like to hear the logic behind it if anyone knows.

h is a consonant in all languages that have the letter.

In Lojban, at least in theory, it is NOT defined as a consonant, but a solution to the problem of vowel glides when two vowels are adjacent.

Thinking of the orthography as representing the sound-stream:
If a close-comma appears between the two vowels, then there is a voiced glide. If an apostrophe appears, then it is a devoiced glide. If a period appears, there is a glottal stop (and it separates into two words), and if none of these appear, the vowels form a diphthong.

English speakers (and those of many other languages) often hear a devoiced glide as an "h", and more importantly, they tend speak a devoiced glide as an "h" as the default. In theory, you could use a different devoiced sound (as long as it isn't one of the other unvoiced consonants of Lojban, or a glottal stop), and some have used a devoiced "th" which of course makes a lojbanist sound like like they have a funny lithp.

The apostrophe does not count as a consonant or a vowel in any of the Lojban word-formation rules, which rely on consonant and vowel patterns. If it were an h, we would probably have great difficulty keeping this clear.

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