[lojban-beginners] Re: zei and cmavo rafsi

["Michael Turniansky" <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 3:54 PM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2008 04:22:40 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes:
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> > > [...]  If you WANTED to add cmavo to a lujvo, you have to do it
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> > > with the aid of "zei" ("lujvo glue") in between.
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> > This is true for "ka'o", but not for cmavo in general, as many cmavo have
> > their own rafsi.
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>  No, it's true for ANY cmavo.  If you wanted to add a rafsi OF a
> cmavo (if it has one), then you wouldn't need the zei.  There, now the
> imprecision is on the other foot.  :-)
>               --gejyspa
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> He said "you have to do it with the aid of "zei" ..."
> This is true of "ka'o'".  It's not true for all cmavo.  Since many cmavo have rafsi, it's not usually necessary to use "zei" with them.
> It's *possible* to "zei" with any cmavo, whether it has a rafsi or not.  It's only required when the cmavo has no rafsi.
>

  Perhaps I was being too pedantic to be understood.  You can neither
add cmavo nor  fu'ivla nor even gismu to lujvo without the use of zei.
 You can ONLY add rafsi without using zei.  That there are rafsi
derived from cmavo (nd indeed, in some case identical in form to the
underlying cmavo) and gismu is immaterial.

                                      --gejyspa