[lojban-beginners] Re: angry conversations

[Nathaniel Krause <nathanielkrause@yahoo.com>]

mublin <mublin@dealloc.org> wrote:
>  On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 05:19:30PM -0500, mls1@rice.edu wrote:
> > Supposing someone were rather irritated at someone else, and wanted
> > to say something along the lines of {ko cliva gi'e gletu ko
> > le'o}. If they were more irritated, they may want something a little
> > faster to say. Would {ko livgle ko} carry a similar effect? What
> > else might be stronger?
>
> If {gletu} had some meaning as an insult, then {livgle} would seem a
> perfectly valid lujvo to me. I have two objections to the use of
> {livgle} as "fuck off".
>
> Firstly, the gismu definitions seem to be quite restrictive as to
> which metaphors are culturally neutral and therefore
> permissible. While lujvo are inherently metaphors, {livgle} is based
> on the use of the gismu {gletu} itself as a metaphor,
>  which does not
> seem culturally neutral.
>
> Secondly, it does not seem in the spirit of the gismu corpus to attach
> a negative or derogatory meaning to either {gletu} or anything else
> involved in {lo zu'o gletu}.
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e mublin.
I agree, mublin. If you made a short list of the conventional English-language metaphors which we particularly do not want to see inflitrate Lojban, the casual conflation of sex and violence which is implied by "fuck" would be on it.

If you do want to express the badness of the act, such as in the case of an angry conversation, I don't see a problem with using "malgle", as in "ko malgle ko"

mu'o mi'e sen

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