[lojban-beginners] order of sumti effects their meaning?

[Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>]

so I just read through section 5 of chapter16 of the refgram and am
confused by this line:  "since it is the order in which the variables
appear that matters we can say ...".

basically in "de poi gerku cu batci ro da poi prenu"  "de poi gerku"
is translated as "there-is-a-Y which is a dog"  but in "ro da poi
prenu cu se batci de poi gerku" the same string is translated as
"_some_ Y which is a dog".

This seems counter-intuitive to me and also very un-lojbanic.  I was
under the impression that "X cu <selbri> Y" always means the same
thing as "Y se <selbri> X" except that maybe there is a change in
emphasis.  This is not the case when quantifying?

 - Luke Bergen