[lojban-beginners] Re: CCVCCCCV

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Wednesday 13 May 2009 20:39:44 Minimiscience wrote:
> de'i li 14 pi'e 05 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. tijlan .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.
>
> > Is a fu'ivla of form "CCVCCCCV" valid? I couldn't find it on the "nice
> > fu'ivla forms" list.
>
> .skamyxatra
>
> As far as I understand the morphology, yes, it is valid, as long as the
> other rules for {fu'ivla} are followed (e.g., that first CC must be an
> initial consonant pair).  Except when {rafsi fu'ivla} come into play, no
> {brivla} that contains four consonants in a row can ever be a {lujvo}, a
> {gismu}, or a combination of {lujvo}, {gismu}, and/or {cmavo}, nor can it
> ever fail the {slinku'i} test.

I consider it to be valid if the first CC is an initial consonant pair, the 
other CCs are valid consonant pairs, and there is no "n[t|d][c|j|s|z]" in it. 
I'm not sure of xorxes's rules, but I think he would additionally require 
that the last CCC belong to a restricted set. So he would allow "slabjgle" 
but not "tramtsto", whereas I would allow them both.

Even with rafsi fu'ivla, a lujvo can't have four consonants in a row unless 
they are in one of the component fu'ivla. Any rafsi ending in two or more 
consonants must have "y" after it if it's followed by another rafsi.

Is there a particular fu'ivla you have in mind?

Pierre