[lojban-beginners] Re: lu preti li'u

[Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>]

So {lu ... li'u} works like go'i in terms of how much it delimits.  I had just read in CLL that with {go'i} {mi} refers to an idea and is not quoted verbatim.  i.e.
A: mi barda
B: .i go'i 

B is saying "yes, you are big", the word {mi} is not brought along but the concept itself is.  So lu .. li'u works the same?

Also, (somewhat related) in la alis. cizra je cinri zukte vi le selmacygu'e I found this:
{lu ji'a ma prali sei la
alis pensi fi lo cukta poi vasru no pixra ja nuncasnu li'u}
How does one know when the "sei" stops and the main bridi continues?  Why does the {fi} attach to the main bridi and not to pensi (other than the fact that pensi has no x3)?

 - Luke Bergen

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:13:05 Luke Bergen wrote:
> So, I have a couple of questions about lu ... li'u that I haven't found in
> the CLL yet.
>
> A: lo gerku goi ko'a cu barda
> B: .i la saimon cusku lu ko'a cu xunre li'u
>
> Now, does the {ko'a} in the quote that B is referring to refer to "lo
> gerku" or potentially something else entirely?  Or does the presence of a
> {ko'a} without a {goi} assignment within that quote make the entire quote
> ungrammatical.

"ko'a" in the second sentence refers to something in Simon's utterance, three
words of which are quoted here. Unless you're playing Simon Says, in which
case the second sentence is ignored because it contains "ko'a" instead
of "ko". The presence of "ko'a" without "goi" is not ungrammatical; it is
merely semantically unclear. The song "le cmalu bloti" uses it; it is up to
the listener to figure out that ko'a is the crew as a whole, or the crew
minus the boy, and ko'e is the boy.

If B had said "la saimon. cusku le sedu'u ko'a xunre", though, "ko'a" would
refer to lo gerku.

> Furthermore, if we have:
>
> A: la saimon cusku lu mi barda li'u
>
> is "mi" saimon or the speaker "A"?

"mi" refers to "la saimon".

Pierre