[lojban-beginners] Re: Study plan for a quiz- I'd like a second opinion on this one

["Michael Eaton" <michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk>]

Not entirely. "Has been dead" is one of those syntactically bizarre phrases that Lojban is designed to avoid. It's not implicit, but the syntax leans towards "was at one time dead, but is no longer dead". "Was and is still dead" is, rather more simply, "dead".

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From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org]On Behalf Of Steven Lytle
Sent: 02 November 2009 16:29
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Study plan for a quiz- I'd like a second opinion on this one

"Has been dead" means "was and is still dead".

stevo

2009/11/1 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  da ca co'i morsi (One dies.)
>  da ca ba'o morsi (One is dead.)

That would work if "morsi" meant "dies" (a change of state, goes from
being alive to being dead) rather than "is dead" (a state).

"ba'o morsi" means "has been dead" (i.e., it is no longer dead), not
"has died" (it is no longer dying).

Compare with "sipna", which is more likely than "morsi" to be used
with "ba'o". "ba'o sipna" means "has been asleep", not "has fallen
asleep". "Falls asleep" is "sipybi'o" or "co'a sipna", and "dies" is
"mrobi'o" or "co'a morsi". "co'i sipna" and "co'i morsi" are complete
events of sleeping, or of being dead. The difference is that events of
being dead don't usually ever end, so its unlikely that one would
speak of "ba'o morsi", "having been dead", except in some very special
contexts.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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