[lojban-beginners] Re: A question about gismu definitions

[Alan Post <alanpost@sunflowerriver.org>]

Irritating could be a description of the effect that spicy food has
in your mouth, which could rightly be described as irritating, even
when the endorphins generated make that something you desire.

Something being an irritant, in a chemical sense, doesn't imply a
value judgement about desirability.

-Alan

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 04:06:02PM -0600, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote:
>    On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Doty
>    <[1]suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      ...Which brings me to another question:
> 
>      cpina ï ï - x1 is pungent/piquant/peppery/spicy/irritating to sense x2
> 
>      It seems odd to me to have "irritating" in this definition, since it
>      presumes that something spicy or peppery is bad. ï Wouldn't this sort
>      of opinion about good or bad be better done with attitudinals?
> 
>      .ii le cidja cpina
>      'Yikes, the food is spicy!'
> 
>      .ui le cidja cpina
>      'Yay, the food is spicy!'
> 
>      With irritating in this definition, the last one seems to be more like
>      "I'm happy that this food is irritating," which seems an odd thing to
>      say..
> 
>      Am I missing something here?....
> 
>    Definition taken from [2]dictionary.com:
> 
>    irïï riïï tateâ[3][IMG]â/ËÉrÉËteÉt/ [4][IMG] Show Spelled
>    Pronunciation [ir-i-teyt]  verb, -tatïï ed, -tatïï ing.
> 
>    âverb (used with object)
>    1. to excite to impatience or anger; annoy. <- NOT cpina
>    2. Physiology, Biology. to excite (a living system) to some characteristic
>    action or function. <- cpina
>    3. Pathology. to bring (a body part) to an abnormally excited or sensitive
>    condition. <- cpina
> 
>    --
>    mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> 
>    .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> 
> References
> 
>    Visible links
>    1. mailto:suomichris@gmail.com
>    2. http://dictionary.com/
>    3. http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/I03/I0313700
>    4. http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html

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