[lojban-beginners] Re: Tenses in abstractions

[Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>]

Ok, so, what you're describing, xorxes, is something different from the CLL I think.  I thought I always understood VA/ZI as sumtcita but I guess not.  The CLL version I understand to mean that {mi citka lo plise za lo nu mi sipna} means "I eat the apple a medium time distance from the event of me sleeping".  Could you explain what {mi citka lo plise za lo nu mi sipna} means under your understanding of VA/ZI sumtcita, xorxes?

Thanks.

P.S.  It's a little disconcerting that I've been learning lojban for over a year now and have been using VA/ZI sumtcita like the CLL describes them without ever hearing of another way to use them.  When are we going to get an updated version of the CLL with all the errata/xorlo/dotside/anything else that's come out of BPFK?  Or at the very least an "official" page of some sort with all of the official changes that have been made from the CLL?  Or even less, can we get a page with all the changes that "usage has decided" are part of lojban?

2010/2/25 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Sam Chapin <not.here.now@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah, I see. Under your scheme {va co'e} conveys the same meaning by a
> different mechanism - "something happens a moderate (but otherwise
> unspecified) distance from the speaker", rather than "something
> happens a moderate distance away from (unspecified, but by default)
> the speaker".

Yes, "va co'e" in both cases says that something happens a moderate
(but otherwise unspecified) distance away from the origin (probably
the speaker).

The difference is in which part of the unspecification would be
provided by the tagged sumti. The other part, if needed, has to be
provided by other means.

mu'o mi'e xorxes