Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Honorifics.

[tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>]

On 7 December 2011 11:41, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
> I always thought that {ga'i} is for such things. So, {la ga'inai
> jambias}?

{ga'i} or {ga'inai} indicates a difference in social ranks, but some
honorifics can be about politeness on equal grounds. {ga'inai} would
work for "-sama" (-さま) that aionys mentioned above. "-san" (-さん) came
from "-sama", but today this suffix doesn't necessarily mean that the
interlocuters are of different ranks. I would translate it as {.io}.

{.io} happens to sound similar to "o-" (お-), which is somewhat a
prefix version of "-san". They can be used together and for persons or
non-persons, even events or actions:

  o-cha
  lo .io tcati

  o-heya
  lo .io kumfa

  o-hanashi
  lo .io nu tavla

  o-kaa-san
  lo .io mamta

  o-tento-san
  lo .io solri

  o-hayou-san (a colloquial expression for "Good morning.")
  clira .io


"Dr." and other titles like "President" (are these honorifics?) can be
translated as a NOI clause:

  Dr. Ron Paul and President Barack Obama
  la .ran.pal. noi mikce .e la .barak.obamam. noi gugja'a

Or we could change the order, especially if we used cmevla as selbri:

  Mr. Bean
  lo [.io] nanmu noi .bin.

  Mrs. Doubtfire
  lo [.io] speni'u noi .dautfaiyr.


mu'o

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