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Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Curses!



I can appreciate your argument here, though my confusion stands. Insults and swearing appear to have two goals. The goal of the first is emotional manipulation of the person you are directing the insult at; the goal of the second is to vent emotions in an exhibitionist display. Neither of these things appear to be necessary to the function of lojban. However I do appreciate that there are people who cannot communicate without peppering their speech with expletives. I will admit that when I was younger I worked construction and developed the habituation of swearing constantly. As I have grown older I have worked to find more logical and mature ways of expressing myself. To date I have become quite fond of my son's preferred expletive: "taxes and wet socks!" as well as one of my close friends' usage of: "audit you!" (as in his estimation wishing someone "fuck you," would provide them all too much pleasure). I like the idea of using do'au and zo'au as attitudinals to mark intended/unintended insult or offense. I am interested in what pundits like xorxe and robin have to say on this subject.

mu'o mi'e brais

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:53 AM, <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On , Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose that my confusion stems from a lack of understanding as to why lojban needs curses and insults?

I would be very surprised if lojban wouldn't allow curses and insults. Considering how rich is Lojban in expressing emotions, why should cursing and swaring be left out?

I would dream of a vocative, say {do'au} of selma'o DOI. You could say {do'au plise} and everyone would understand that it is intendend to be an insult, whether or not to be an apple offends them. Of course {do'aunai xalci} would not be meant to be an insult even if I would be probably offended.

Alternatively an emotional (say {zo'au} of selma'o UI5) could be used with the meaning of "offensively - no offense intended".

To me, it would seem the most lojbanic way to swear/course. The point is not if a particular analogy or name is offensive but if the intention is to offend.

remod

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