On 28 Jan 2012, at 09:46, Daniel Brockman wrote:
> dude, who’s saying you would be forbidden from converting it into another format?
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> On Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
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>> That analogy doesn't work. Hard-copy isn't a format, is a presentation medium.
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>> .epub is a format, as is .pdf. .html, .doc, .odf, etc. An e-reader is a presentation medium, as is a desktop, laptop, netbook, tablet, etc.
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>> And even if we were to allow that a traditional book is both a format /and/ a presentation medium (which I don't), scanners have existed for years, and are perfectly capable of being used to transfer a book's contents to any kind of other medium's format, usually with no loss of information during the process.
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>> Is there /any/ other format to which iBooks are capable of being transferred to? Can you name one format that is not only available to Apple devices to which an iBook can be converted?
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>> I'm against proprietary formats in general. I honestly don't care what "wonderful" features the format may provide. There's is no way I'm buying a $800 device just to be able to access, literally, /one/ thing I couldn't otherwise. Especially since I already have a tablet, a smartphone, a laptop, and a desktop.
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>> The point is, limiting distribution to noly those who have "X", means that any one who doesn't is automatically excluded. Especially for a language, /any/ kind of exclusion of people is BAD. I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy having such features- they may be valuable, they may not, I have no opinion. What I'm saying is that whether or not such a thing exists, I /won't/ have it, because of the proprietary nature of the item. I happen to be dead set against participating in the money-vacuum that is Apple Inc. (my Android tablet has equivalent specs to the iPad 2 and is $500(!) cheaper), but my stance is the same regardless of the company behind it.
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>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:43 AM, kozmikreis <
kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk (mailto:
kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk)> wrote:
>>> Extending your line of reasoning, should we immediately cease distributing hard copies of the CLL because the format isn't compatible with e-readers? :-p
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>>> Yes the iBook format is only compatible with a limited selection of devices, does that somehow invalidate taking advantage of the format in addition to the plethora of open formats the new CLL can be transformed into?
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>>> kozmikreis
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>>> On 28 Jan 2012, at 00:10, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>>>> Not to mention the proprietary nature of the format that automatically excludes anyone without an iPad, iPod Touch, or iPhone.
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>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM, kozmikreis <
kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk (mailto:
kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk)> wrote:
>>>>> That is true, but is missing the point of the additional richness the proprietary iBook format allows for such as interactive multiple-choice questions, audio clips, video clips, and other learning aids that might be attractive in an enhanced version of the CLL :-)
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>>>>> kozmikreis
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>>>>> On 27 Jan 2012, at 21:32, Aaron Hawryluk wrote:
>>>>>> Or, if there's an html version in existence, it could just be ported to .epub with Calibre...
>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II X.
>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2012 6:50 AM, "CosmicRay" <
cr@cosmicray.co.uk (mailto:
cr@cosmicray.co.uk)> wrote:
>>>>>>> Those were very much my thoughts too - that porting a regularly updated open source formatted book into a proprietary format was going to be awfully tough to keep up with. However, unlike apps, I think iBooks are static once published. Authors don't push out a v1.x update after the fact. With this in mind it's probably still worth forking the next stable CLL major version and porting it, perhaps even embedding an errata section by use of a web view that points back to the github repo in case of any major boo-boos.
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>>>>>>> kozmikreis
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>>>>>>> On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote:
>>>>>>>> I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well!
>>>>>>>> The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play very nicely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means that it's not really possible to script "convert the source files into an iBook", but rather each change made to the source files would have to be manually made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly become painful. Further looking into is required however, as it would be a truly incredible platform to use.
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>>>>>>>> Instead of our drab slogging forth and back to the fishing boats, there's a reason to life! We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!
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>>>>>>>> — Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970.
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>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikreis <
kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk (mailto:
kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk)> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I look forward to trying that out, please let us know when it's available. It'll be good when there's finally a Lojban-specific app in the iTunes Store :-)
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>>>>>>>>> Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to the idea should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a collaboration.
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>>>>>>>>> On a slightly related note, there's now a free iBooks Author app in the Mac App Store for authoring rich content books for iPad consumption. It looks ideal for creating and sharing educational textbooks. The CLL as an iBook would be a good place to start, once the latest changes to it have been completed - thoughts anyone?
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>>>>>>>>> On 22 Jan 2012, at 09:13, aryrain laubels wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently waiting for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it today. But some other applications would be interesting.
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>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis <
kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk (mailto:
kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk)> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [repost, original seems to have been lost to the aether]
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>>>>>>>>>>> I've got an Apple iOS Developer account and would be happy to have a hand in writing a Lojban app for iOS (and Android if I can get the damn SDK and toolset stable), it's just I haven't thought of an app idea that has anything better to it than those that already exist.
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>>>>>>>>>>> My dev language of choice would probably be the _javascript_ variant from Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to multiple platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C.
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>>>>>>>>>>> One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, whereby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to speak and perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the background occasionally checking your location in to a central server. When someone else with a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert you so you can meet up and say coi. Might be good for finding people to practice with?
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>>>>>>>>>>> kozmikreis
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>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> coi
>>>>>>>>>>>> is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners ipod app? apps like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thinking maybe a more lojban specific app would help for people who are already wanting to learn, getting to look at it on the go, or maybe to hear spoken lojban, or maybe just to make it more accessible to a wider variety of people. Just a thought.
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