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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: questions about 'cu'



Just to further what others have said, and try to make it more concrete, you can achieve anything without {cu}, but sometimes at the expense of adding terminators. Your example is splendid. If we wanted to omit {cu}, we could instead use

.iure'e le cevni ku kurji ko

(using the actual terminator for LE in place of the catch-all {cu}), or we could rearrange things so we wouldn't need any separator at all.

.iure'e le cevni ko kurji

All of them are valid, all mean exactly the same thing, and your style is entirely your choice. The last form is the shortest, and matches my personal style. The {ku} version may be better as you're getting the hang of terminators. The {cu} version has the marginal benefit of explicitly marking the selbri, instead of relying on the listener to know that we've gotten to that level (I've heard people praise that, again in more complicated examples where it makes a difference). TMTOWTDI

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
My thanks. I created a farewell, based on my spiritual path's "blessed be," which I render as iure'e le cevni cu kurji ko by which I mean "with spiritual love I direct you to act in such a way that your perception of god (the divine) cares about/for you." Have I accomplished my goal?

mi'o mi'e brais


On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
  Yes, don't let lindar and his dialect contingent mislead you.  It DOES serve a purpose, but it can be worked around, as well.  Its purpose is to mark which word/phrase in a bridi that is the main relationship.  Can it be worked around?  Yes, but as Pierre mentioned, it means properly closing off all open structures before then.  

   So, what would you use in its place?  That depnds entirely on what needs terminating.  If nothing needs closing, the you don't need it.

                --gejyspa


On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
And here I was told that without cu one of my favorite statements made no sense at all. So what is it: does cu serve a purpose, or not? If not, then what would I use in it's place?

mi'o brais


On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
The short answer:
It's never necessary. NEVER.
It's a handy shortcut sometimes.
Learn to do without it at first or your grammar will suck.

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