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Re: [lojban-beginners] {me ko'a} instead of {broda} ?



If you wanted to refer to them individually, as far as I am aware, you'd have to either call them directly ({le finpe gusta} and {le pinynabycerni gusta) (Note: There's no current valsi I know of for pancake. I'm using "flat breakfast bread" for it.)), or assign them individually.

I suppose you could say something like {le finpe me ko'e}. Although that sounds ugly to me, I believe it would work for either your or my assignment of ko'e, the difference being that your assignment of ko'e would make {le finpe me ko'e} refer to a fish restaraunt out of the set of all existing restaraunts, whereas my ko'e would make it refer to a fish restaraunt out of the set of two restaraunts, regardless of how many exist.

Now that I think about it, I think the best assignment for ko'e would be {ko'e goi re ko'a gusta}, since you are wanting to talk about HIS two restaraunts.

So, with all that in mind, my best guess would be:

ko'a ponse ko'e goi re ko'a gusta
ko'a owns ko'e, where ko'e is his two restaurants.
ko'a owns two restaurants.

.i lo finpe me ko'e vi zvati lo xamsi
The fish type-of ko'e is near the ocean.
His fish restaurant is near the ocean.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
OK. So imagine that one restaurant is a fish restaurant. Another one is a pancake restaurant.

A fish one.
A pancake one.

How do I refer do them in the following text ?

Obviously English word "one" should correspond to {broda} or {ko'a}. How do I achieve this ?


On Friday, March 9, 2012 10:32:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
You want the term ko'e to refer to the two restaurants collectively, you want {ko'e goi re gusta}, or {ko'e goi re le gusta} if you want to explicit about specificity.

If you want to refer to them individually, I don't think that's possible with only one term.

What you have means the pretty much same thing as what I wrote, although your ko'e assignment is different and your bridi is obviously much more complicated:
ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta
ko'a owns two of something that is amongst (ko'e = one or more things that actually is a restaraunt).
Ko'a owns two things that are ko'e, where ko'e is "one or more restaraunts"

ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta
ko'a owns (ko'e = two restaraunts).
ko'a owns ko'e, where ko'e is "two restaraunts"

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
No ! What you suggest is that {ko'e} is two restaurants. But I need {ko'e} to be each of the restaurants !


On Friday, March 9, 2012 9:18:50 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
I would go with {ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta}. It seems to me you're overthinking it a tad.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder how to express the phrase "he is the owner of two cafes" using {ko'a} ("he") and {ko'e} (each of the cafes)

{ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta} ?

{broda} series won't work if in the following text each of the cafes is described.

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