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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: 'tesete' and cmavo cluster rules



Again, you did not read properly. I never said <u> is never a vowel. It is just not a vowel when another vowel follows, as in {ui}.

Am 10.05.2012 12:13, schrieb Michael Eaton:
Vowels are such by convention, not pronunciation: to say that a letter is a vowel because it is a 'vowel sound' causes all sorts of exponentially and rapidly increasing problems. Is that to say U can't possibly be a vowel in English either, because it's pronounced as W in words such as 'quick'?
 
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From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Miles Forster
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: 'tesete' and cmavo cluster rules

.y bu is not "u". .u bu is. And the u in ui is not pronounced [u] but [w] which *is* a consonant. Some here seem to lack reading comprehension. It's annoying to argue with people who won't listen to what the other person is saying.
Whether or not something is a vowel depends on the way it's pronounced, not the way it's written.

mu'o

Am 10.05.2012 02:12, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
  It is, and it always does require a pause in front of it.  Miles is wrong.
        --gejyspa


On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Álvaro Vallejo <avallejor@gmail.com> wrote:
.uesai


- "The initial period can never be omitted before vowels (if they are phonetically vowels. {ui} = [wi], so no dot is necessary). "
- "ui does not begin in a vowel. Therefore, no denpa bu is needed."

Well... I am really shocked! How is it that "u" is not a vowel? It IS a vowel or I should start learning again Lojban from zero: it's name is indeed ybu, isn't it?
(Chapter 1 of Lojban for beginners, Chapter 2 of CLL)...

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