Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: What can you do with Lojban that you can't do with English?

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:

On 17 Maj, 05:55, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 May 2012 20:19:41 Lindar wrote:
>
> > We have red chickens and cows.
> > Are the cows red?
>
> Also, "we" = "I and who else?"
>
> mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci .e lo bakni — doesn't say what color the cows are.
> mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci je bakni — false, as no chicken is a cow.

Aionys says that it doesn't make that assertion. According to him, "we
are a husband and a wife" is {mi'a me lo nakspe je fetspe}. So even
such simple things like logical connectives are controversial in
Lojban... uinai

It's aionys, not Aionys, and I don't say that. {lo} is not explicit about whether we are speaking of individuals or masses/sets, so it is possible to have either interpretation. There is nothing controversial about this.

To quote the tiki page on xorlo:

lo's inner quantifier indicates the number of things we're talking about, but in a slightly different fashion. "mu lo bakni cu bevri lo pipno" means "Five cows each carried a piano individually". "lo mu bakni cu bevri lo pipno" is ambiguous as to whether they did it individually or as a group. To be clear about group-ness, use loi and friends.
 

> mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci .e lo xunre bakni — the cows are red.
> mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci ja bakni — they're all red, but whether they're all
> chickens or all cows or a mix isn't stated.

What about {mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci joi bakni}?

mu'o mi'e ianek

> Pierre
> --
> loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji

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