Re: [lojban-beginners] xu kau

[".arpis." <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>]

Wouldn't it be better to use {pau nai} in that case?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> I always thought of xukau as intended to mean you're asking a rhetorical
> question.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:21 AM, tengo <yurock.tengo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> coi
>>
>> I have read about {xu} and {kau}, and I find most usage of {xu kau}
>> odd. As I understand {xu}, it puts the main bridi into question, not a
>> sub-bridi. Consider the following example:
>>
>> do djuno lo du'u la .frank. cu bebna
>> You know that Frank is foolish
>>
>> First I add {xu}:
>>
>> do djuno lo du'u xu la .frank. cu bebna
>> Is it true that you know that Frank is foolish?
>> Do you know that Frank is foolish?
>>
>> So, it's now a question. Then I add {kau}:
>>
>> do djuno lo du'u xu kau la .frank. cu bebna
>> Whether you know that Frank is foolish.
>>
>> Which is what seems odd to me. The CLL has an example in chapter 11:
>>
>> 7.3)   mi djuno le jei la frank. cu bebna [kei]
>>       I know the truth-value of Frank being a fool.
>>
>> And later in the text: "I know whether or not Frank is a fool", which
>> seems to be the intended meaning of {mi djuno lo du'u xu kau
>> la .frank. cu bebna}.
>>
>> So, is there a special rule for interpretation of {xu kau}? If yes,
>> where is it defined? Is the {jei}-version still correct with current
>> definitions of {jei} and {djuno}?
>>
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